hi guys,

i'm new to showing dogs, and i have my first show coming up in a couple of weeks.
my dogs cherry has just popped out, and i'd like to wait to see if the other cherry
pops out before having them surgical removed, as this breed doesnt do well under anaesthetic.
So therefore i was just wondering if i could go ahead and show with the one cherry out?

I'm no expert on matters to do with cherry eye, but I'm sure your dogs chances of being placed would be marked down because of it. From what I gather theres no guarantee that the other eye will be affected so to wait may cause your dog discomfort with the existing one.

Obviously go ahead and show if you want to, but please dont breed from your dog. This wont be of any benefit to your breeds genepool, as the condition may be inheritable.

I'm sure those with experience will be along soon to give their advice and wisdom! :-)

well i am stumped please could you tell me what a cherry eye is????????????di x

It a prolapse of the third eyelid and tear gland. It seems to affect 'droopy eyed' breeds, but like anything it could occur in just about any breed.

Im sure if you google 'cherry eye' you'll find bags of info on it.

ta, got setters and never heard of it,but will google it just out of interest, cheers di x

I wouldn't bother showing...I also believe you need KC permission to show if a dog has had 'altering' surgery? Might be wrong I know! Does happen very rarely I admit! Going back to showing now I think it is highly unlikely you will be placed...after all it is a 'beauty' contest of sorts and most Judges would mark you down for it...well, I would anyway!

yes you do need KC permission to show a dog that is in any way subject to surgery which alters the way the dog looks and this procedure would most certainly come under that heading. I would be very concerned about breeding as well as I would think it would be a hereditary fault. Is it mentioned in the standard as a fault...common to the breed?? did your breeder tell you it was a possibility? I think you need to think the whole thing through and reassess your thoughts on showing. Sorry!!
Aileen

If it's the Breed I think it is...it is mentioned as undesirable in the breed standard...

"If it's the Breed I think it is...it is mentioned as undesirable in the breed standard"...
And what breed would that be??

Did i say i was going to breed this dog?????
And this is a well known fact that this occurs in the breed i'm talking about (quite alot), but this is besides the point,
the question i asked was, could i show her or would i be put out of the ring.........

Well, sorry I tried to help you then...I didn't say you intended to breed did I? To be honest I think any cherry eye is undesirable in ANY breed...I don't ever remember a Breed standard that said it was desirable! Especially considering a dog needs Surgery to fix it! Just because it occurs quite a lot does not make it a desirable or wanted trait! I think the Breeders need to think outside the box for a bit then and try to breed out any undesirable faults! I certainly won't bother trying to help you again...ignore buttons are very useful things!

As I understand it, judges are now instructed to place health concerns at the top of their agenda when considering placings - so surely she would automatically be unplaced if she were shown in this condition?

Appparently, that isn't the answer the poster wants! :-o

I personally would not show as judges not only look at conformation but take in to consideration eyes, teeth. ears they even have a quick feel at male bits !! so having cherry eye is really a fault and you would not be placed as health matters are , as said by previous posters placed on top of the judges to look out for lists.

You may also get some strange looks from other owners ,Sad to say but the showing world is quite competitive and any imperfection is a no no .

I would consider it quite a serious fault, i wouldnt be surprised if they asked you to leave the ring which may cause embarrassment. & i wouldn't leave the cherry eye as there is no guarantee the other will come out, it may do but it could this week or next year. Its quite uncomfortable although i understand not painful. If left too long it could become infected. I personally would try having it stitched before removal as this can cause dry eye. Instant removal is quite an old way of dealing with cherry eye

Contrary to the believe of some, judging at a dog show has nothing to do with beauty. The judge will be looking for the correct conformation and the correct coat and any construction fault that will or may cause a problem to the dogs health. The standards say
Faults
Any departure from the foregoing points should be considered a fault and the seriousness with which the fault should be regarded should be in exact proportion to its degree and its effect upon the health and welfare of the dog
Judges of late have been reminded that dog with faults that could be a problem for the dog either leading a normal life or it's health should not be placed.

As I understand it, at the moment anything that could cause a health problem is unlikely to be placed, it does not matter what the breed or how common a health fault it should be considered in line with the effect that fault would have on the dogs health, judges are not expected to place dogs with faults that could or will cause a problem with their health, cherry eye would be classes as such and the dog should have the condition dealt with.

Have you tried gently massaging it back in? Sometimes one will go back and stay back, however if it pops out again it will need surgery and sooner rather than later. No point waiting for the other one to pop out either I'm afraid, my Yankee had one at 6 months old, and is now nearly 7 years old and the other one has never given any trouble.