theres been a litter born last night by c/section there in the east middlands our vet was on the local news asking for another dog/dogs that can feed them , i just feel i need to help if theres any1 out there that can help these poor pups to have a good start in life plz pm me and i will pass on your number ,pups are beagles !!!!!!

How sad hope someone can help.

i know :( and the snow is still coming down fast here ,so its going to make it even harder for them to find some1 :(  i hope they find a bitch that can help very soon its heart brakeing !!!!

I would always prefer to hand rear rather than risk infection from another bitch or trust an unknown person with my puppies.  Heather Ridley  01945 450475 is the expert in this field and would give them any help the owners need.

Oh how sad, I hope they can keep the pups going, have tried hand rearing myself, its a difficult and exhausting thing to get up every two hours day and night to hand feed a litter, sadly despite best efforts my litter didnt make it but I sure hope this one does.

Thats so sad I had a litter born on Tuesday but Mum is doing an excellent job and dont know what I would have done if that had happened to me.

so sad.
i hope they can keep the pups going.
To lose the mum and pups would be heartbreaking.
xx

oh no,how sad.i hope someone can help.thats so sad :(

I totally agree with westcoast, you should contact Heather, she is lovely, and knows her stuff!....If you are stuck tho, i would be happy to help...best to tube/bottle feed than to trust a random dog...although, my bitch still has plenty of milk, and has been checked out fine, so i would be happy to either help with the hand rearing, or try my bitch (she is very sweet, is a rottie, and has enough milk to fund the local dairy!! as she just lost her litter!)  my phone number is 07535123233 if you need me x

I don't know where your friends live exactly, but if they are close by in Liverpool I would be happy to help her hand rear the pups...I'm home most of the time...best of luck though...very sad...

no dis-respect tracey but as you bitch lost a whole litter twice, surely it would not be such a good idea to allow these pups on her as she may have an infection that can be passed on

hi tracey i see ya number now (sorry) im waiting for vet to ring me back !!!

thats lovley newfi they live in nottinghamshire but thanku xx

that IS disrepectful querty...if you had actually read what i wrote, id said my bitch was checked out!!!!...there is nothing wrong with her milk, just her ability to carry puppies safely! please read posts properly before you reply...to be honest, i dont need the upset right now, im only safely trying to help someone not have to go through what i did!...im NOT irresponsible, please dont insinuate that I am!

I have to agree with Qwerty.  The problem was not in her ability to carry puppies but something amiss with their survival following delivery.  It may be no infection is there or it may be no infection has been detected but either way if it was my litter I would not risk this.  I appreciate you have been through a bad time but I don't think you should be offended by people being able to see this in a more detached way and recommend what they consider to be sensible.

Actually to isabel...the problem WAS the carrying, NOT the survival....please will all you good doers/busybodys get your facts right before you post!
I wouldnt be offended if people were seeing it in a detached way, but sensible isnt what i see here....just people reading part of a post and putting there opionions in without actually knowing all the facts, or properly reading the posts!

Without wishing to offend, as a breeder I wouldn't want to use a bitch who'd lost two litters of neonatal puppies, for whatever reason, as a foster mother to other puppies.

the vet as just rang me :) and im soooo pleased the family have found a bitch that has only 2 pups (large breed) with lots of milk so fingers crossed the pups will have a fighting chance ,thanku so much for offering that was wonderful of you to do that xxx

oh for gods sake....now im going to shout...I HAD OFFERED TO HELP HAND REAR THE PUPPIES....THE BITCH WAS A LAST RESORT....PLEASE CAN YOU READ ALL BEFORE YOU POST!!!!! it seems im only 1 of 2 offering...so all i can say is if you spent as much time trying to help, as you have trying to smite my offer of help....the poor little mites might have more of a chance!

Im soooo glad hun....fingers and toes crossed for them....xxxx

It is far from clear from your posts that you did not intend to put the pups to your bitch but that does not matter as people are pointing out the dangers of doing that not you hand rearing.  As I say, I appreciate you have had a horrible time and nobody wishes to disrespect you but we could not stay quiet on something that we understand to have a great deal of risk attached for the sake of the wellbeing of this litter.  I hope you can understand that.

tracey i was not trying to be disrespectful - you did say that your bitch has plenty of milk so that would imply you were offering her milk to the pups. You may well have had her checked out by the vet but sounds to me like an infection that other members on here pointed out in your original thrread and she would need a vaccination/injection against this problem. it would not be worth the risk- how would you feel if you offered your bitch and the puppies died??? I had to bring up your bitches two litters as i thought the op should be made aware that you had lost two litters.

Tracey's post did say BEST TO TUBE/HAND FEED RATHER THAN RISK A RANDOM DOG . I feel quite sorry for her

Tracey's post did say BEST TO TUBE/BOTTLE FEED RATHER THAN RISK A RANDOM DOG . I feel quite sorry for her

so i would be happy to either help with the hand rearing, or try my bitch (she is very sweet, is a rottie, and has enough milk to fund the local dairy!! as she just lost her litter!)

Yes i feel sorry for her too-i wasnt having a go- just informing the op of the situation.

just wanted to say puppies have just been on the news and there doing well with the new mummy :) :) !!!

Awwww soooo cute too :)

That is good news white lilly, I hope they continue the thrive with their foster mum.

ahh well thats a releif.i hope thy do really well.all my love and the best to them.xxx

Without wishing to offend, as a breeder I wouldn't want to use a bitch who'd lost two litters of neonatal puppies, for whatever reason, as a foster mother to other puppies.

Why?  I would imagine if you had a dozen pups and a dead bitch you "may" think differently.

Ask you'll find it is generally quite safe. If they can find no other reason for the bitch aborting and is clear from infection.

There are many physical reasons for bitches just like humans not to be able to cary puppies or babies full term but both can look after and produce milk with no problem..

The litters did not abort they were born viable and survived for some time.   Even if they were premature, infection would be high up on the list of suspect causes for the early birth.  As you say, it could be something else but personally I would not take that risk and I think it is right that the litter owner should be concious of these risks.

I believe herpes is a common infection that can kill pups?...and they have to be blood tested for this...there is no mention of this being done- the bitch should have been tested for this after losing her first litter. to lose TWO litters that were both born relatively normally by the sounds of it, is to big of a risk to take, if the bitch had aborted her pups then i may think differently. And i do believe the lady with the bitch had a puppy she was trying to save for a few days and this pup was not allowed to feed from mum. please correct me if im wrong

Can we all just leave Tracey alone? She is obviousy upset and i dont think the comments or the way the thread is going is helpful in anyway. The puppies have now got a foster mummy, lets hope they do well and let that be an end to it.

i agree can this thread be closed now plz
thanku

The litters did not abort they were born viable and survived for some time.   Even if they were premature, infection would be high up on the list of suspect causes for the early birth.  As you say, it could be something else but personally I would not take that risk and I think it is right that the litter owner should be concious of these risks

Totally agree but that would be up to the litter owner to make a calculated risk.  I think and I am sure the poster that offered would cover all of these things like any respectable person would when talking to the litter owner.   It was an offer and a well intended one. 

Sometimes people in general are too quick to write something off.. in crisis situations the decisions we make are often not the ones we would normally choose where there are many alternatives there for us.

An experience breeder and vet may choose to take the risk perhaps even with half the litter if it help in this situation.  Antibiotics etc could all be administered at the sametime to both surrogate mother and puppies.

just wanted to say puppies have just been on the news and there doing well with the new mummy

Great news.

> An experience breeder and vet may choose to take the risk perhaps even with half the litter if it help in this situation. 

They might but I think it perfectly reasonable not to just assume that the people involved are aware of the risks and to point them out.

exactly isabel thats why i brought it up. As i said before i really didnt intend to upset tracey was just merely makiing sure the op new the situation. ive said my point now and i dont want to get into a discussion as its been sorted now.

They might but I think it perfectly reasonable not to just assume that the people involved are aware of the risks and to point them out. Totally agree with you again Isabel :-)

Pointing them out is fine dont think anyone has an issue with that  :-)

Closing this as foster mum now found