hi hoping someone can help my sister in law has just bought a 9 week old golden retriever puppy. she was told the father was hipscored but after going to see her today there is no mention of hipscore results on kc papers. would it be on there and how can it be checked??

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Yes, it should be on the KC documents if he was scored under the KC/BVA scheme.  She can check on the KC website now.  Has she spoken to the breeders?  Is it possible he was scored abroad under a different scheme?  In which case it would be reasonable to ask for a copy of the documentation.

Yes I think it should be under the sire and the dams names on the KC papers. Did they show her the papers for the health tests undertaken and were the eye ones upto date, if so it may be an error on the registration certificate.

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not really sure she said she asked the woman about hipscoring and she said the father was hipscored i believe 6/6 when she asked for a copy of the paperwork for the hipscoring she was told the stud dog owner never forwarded it to her but if she does recieve it she will post it on. as far as i can tell both dogs were born and bred in uk so havent been done abroad. i will check it out on the kc website and see what it says. as she told her that the reg papers had only just come back for the puppies would of thought it should of been on there. as with my st girls it says under kc/bva helth screen or something. will check website now

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If you let me know the dog's Kennel Club name I can check on the Golden Retriever data base.

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thanks just waiting for her to txt me back with name and reg number and i will pm you the details

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Has the paperwork for the bitch's hip score been seen?

Has the dam been scored?

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dont really know too much but i checked the father out on the kc website and the retreiver database and he hasnt been hipscored so it looks like she has been lied to by the breeder which is so annoying why do they have to lie

thank all anyway

As she has only just got the puppy maybe she should return it immediately and ask for her money back as the 'breeder' has blatantly lied to her. Has the dam been hipscored either, do either the dam or sire have current clear eye certs? :-(

I would take it back.  It will be hard but this is not a breed I would never consider buying without parents being hip scored as even greater heartache could follow.  I would also report them to trading standards although without any written promises of the scoring (has she seen anything in advertisements?) I doubt they would take action on an individual complaint.  It is possible that the breeder was duped by the stud dog owner but that is her responsibility not your poor SILs.

> It is possible that the breeder was duped by the stud dog owner but that is her responsibility not your poor SILs.

Doesn't excuse the bitch not being scored.

I agree take the pup back to this breeder, if more people were not prepared to buy these pups the breeders would have to up their game and do things properly.

> Doesn't excuse the bitch not being scored.
>

I don't know if we know that yet do we?

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i have checked both parents out on kc website and neither are done although i am not aware if the breeder told her the mum was done but deffo said father was. if he was only recently done would that explain not being on the paperwork or kc website although she said score was 6/6 just wondered if there was a time delay in processing on the web/paperwork etc.

She could always phone the KC on Monday but I think she should speak to the breeder and express her concerns as soon as possible.

She could always phone the KC on Monday but I think she should speak to the breeder and express her concerns as soon as possible.
Ditto- my thoughts exactly at least after a phone call -one hopes the truth will be available to the people concerned

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will tell her to ring them on monday and find out and ring the breeder and tell her she isnt happy although only bought as a family pet still no reason for the breeder to lie

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> although only bought as a family pet

The impact of Hip Dysplasia in anguish and financial terms will be no less I am afraid.

if he was only recently done would that explain not being on the paperwork or kc website although she said score was 6/6 just wondered if there was a time delay in processing on the web/paperwork etc.

She wouldn't know the score unless she'd received the paperwork, and the KC would most likely have put it into their database and hence online BEFORE the owner received it. That tends to be how it works -as a comparison I found two of my dogs' stud book numbers online before I'd received them in the post.

I too would not buy a pup from parents not hip scored (with GOOD results) and I say that as somebody who is living with a Golden with severe HD. And really Goldens should be elbow scored too! Plus eye tested of course.

hi thanks for all advice all noted and past on.

just wondering after reading some articles on hip scoring if 2 parents with a good score are mated it dosent mean the puppies will have a good score kinda makes me wonder why hipscore if you cant guarantee anything. not saying it shouldnt be done just wondered other peoples opinions thats all

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i think it stands them in good stead, the rest being diet, exercise and environment whilst growing up. remember a lot depends on other dogs in the pedigree having good scores as well, not just parents.

just wondering after reading some articles on hip scoring if 2 parents with a good score are mated it dosent mean the puppies will have a good score kinda makes me wonder why hipscore if you cant guarantee anything.

HD is complex because it is both hereditary and environmental. You can cause it by over exercise for instance. But there is also little doubt that low scoring parents are far more likely to have low scoring pups, in particular if they are from a line of low scoring dogs, than parents with higher scores. After all, most breed mean scores are going DOWN year by year as by selecting breeding stock with good hips we are producing pups with even better hips.

I think there is a chance for two good hipscored parents to produce a puppy with bad hipscores but i dont think the chance for two bad scored parents to produce a good one is the same. In other words more likely to get bad hipscores if both parents have bad hipscores so there is a very good reason for testing.

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thanks very interesting. its a very complex issue and no right or wrong answer to it just interesting to hear other views about it

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Ideally all dogs in the pedigree are scored, the more that are and a pattern of good scores is apparent the less chances of hereditary HD, though of course environment/diet can also negatively affect the hips, it loads the dice in ones favour if the ancestors are all scored, within an acceptable range.