After milo going down with yet another bout of Anemia over christmas, so I had to change his food again to correct it. I phoned my vets again yesterday and asked to speak to the vet I have seen the last couple of times there as she was really interested in milos case and we hit it off well as she has similar interests in Autoimmune disease etc etc so we was able to share knowlege. (Not that we know milo has it).
She looked back through milos notes and said unfortunatly my usual vet who is very good does not write up enough notes to help her with whats gone on in the past she can just see he was anemic for x amount of weeks and the problems as they arose.
She was also very interested in the fact that he only ever had his puppy vaccs yet everytime since his titre tests have come back with abnormally high through the roof results which is making her think about abnormal immune responses.
She has asked me to bring milo in on Thur and book an extra long appointment. I told her I really need to get to the bottom of this and why he gets anemic so easily and she agrees enough is enough for the poor lad so keep your fingers crossed that Thur we can find a way forward to get him on an even keel.
Its Milos 4th birthday on the 15th of this month and I would love it to be a happy healthy one for him although that maybe a bit ambitious to have resolve that quickly. But hey you never know.

fingers crossed you get to the bottom of this, autoimmune diseases can difficult. perhaps it may be worthwhile thinking of a referral to a specialist?

Just thought I'd mention, Anaemia is one of the main signs of Coeliac disease in many people, it's a response to Gluten in the diet and is controlled by avoiding gluten containing foods - Wheat, Barley, Rye and in many cases Oats as well.  There are blood tests - the person (or dog) must be consuming gluten for anything to show up. 

More info here

I am correct in recalling that you have had very similar problems with previous dogs?  If so I think that is a very important thing to mention to the specialist as may reflect something about the environment that you live in.  I notice from your profile that you are not in the best of health yourself and wonder if that may have any relevance too.

Just thought I'd mention, Anaemia is one of the main signs of Coeliac disease in many people, it's a response to Gluten in the diet and is controlled by avoiding gluten containing foods - Wheat, Barley, Rye and in many cases Oats as well.  There are blood tests - the person (or dog) must be consuming gluten for anything to show up

He is allergic to anything containing wheat gluten and has not been fed anything with it for over 3 yrs now.

I am correct in recalling that you have had very similar problems with previous dogs?  If so I think that is a very important thing to mention to the specialist as may reflect something about the environment that you live in.  I notice from your profile that you are not in the best of health yourself and wonder if that may have any relevance too.

I lost 2 dogs to auto immune diesase at young ages.  I am not sure that Milo has auto immune disease and if he does it is not the same type as what they had.
All my other dogs over the past 30 odd years have all lived very healthy long lives and my other dog I have now is very healthy.
I have fibromyalgia but i don't see how that would impact on Milo?

Gluten is found in other cereals too ;)  and has the same effect as wheat gluten - Rye, Barley and Oats all contain Gluten and will cause the same problem.  The website I posted explains in detail the mechanism ;)

Wheat Gluten can also be found in the most unlikely places,  my son is Coeliac and allergic to Wheat  ;)  it's been quite a learning curve

If your dog is 'allergic' or intolerant to Wheat Gluten, then my guess is that he's also reacting to the Gluten contained in Barley, Rye and/or Oats as well and will also need to avoid them ;) 

If your dog reacts to Gluten as opposed to Wheat, then it's likely he's having an autoimmune response to the proteins in the cereals mentioned, not an allergy ;) 

Gluten is found in other cereals too ;-)  and has the same effect as wheat gluten - Rye, Barley and Oats all contain Gluten and will cause the same problem.  The website I posted explains in detail the mechanism ;-)

Wheat Gluten can also be found in the most unlikely places,  my son is Coeliac and allergic to Wheat  ;-)  it's been quite a learning curve

If your dog is 'allergic' or intolerant to Wheat Gluten, then my guess is that he's also reacting to the Gluten contained in Barley, Rye and/or Oats as well and will also need to avoid them ;-)

If your dog reacts to Gluten as opposed to Wheat, then it's likely he's having an autoimmune response to the proteins in the cereals mentioned, not an allergy ;-) 

Thankyou for the link it looks very interesting and i am going to have a really good read in a moment.
I should really be clearer and say Milos diet has not consisted of anything containing any cereals now at all for 18 months as I had my suspicions about all cereals knowing how wheat gluten intolerant he was.
However I am going to mention what you have said to my vet as it may well be a possibility especially as even though i am very careful with his diet he does occasionally grab and swallow the odd bit of bread, poo or goodness knows what on a walk before i can get it off him. So he may be getting it this way.
Thanks again.

>he does occasionally grab and swallow the odd bit of bread, poo or goodness knows what on a walk before i can get it off him. So he may be >getting it this way.

This is one of the main problems, even the smallest amount of gluten can cause a reaction out of all proportion to the amount consumed :(  Son reacts to the tiny amount in Cornflakes and Rice Crispies - it's in there as the Barley malt added as flavouring - a tiny amount, but he reacts very badly to it and it can be weeks before he's right again :(  even using the same toaster as is used for ordinary bread is enough

I find using ground Fennel Seed in a tea or adding it to his food while cooking soothes the aching tum and the bloating, but only time sorts out the dire rear ;) 

Once his diet is and tum is sorted again, you may find that the best way of helping Milo is to teach him a really strong LEAVE IT command ;)  that way you can stop him snarfing stuff that'll make him ill :)

He never has the runs though his poo is always normal, the only time it was different was when he was fed exclusively on Hills perscription Z/D ultra allergen free food, then he only went once a day and it was very dark and although formed sticky looking.  he got anemic on that though.
He never appears to have tummy ache either, so perhaps this is not what he may have.

Some Coeliacs don't have any symptoms other than Anaemia   This has NO bearing on the damage in the gut tho, some people can react really badly and yet have less gut damage.  This is why it's important to get a correct diagnosis, as it could be caused by something else ;)