I have watched 3 shows so far and very interested that CM has calmed down a bit from his usual over the top ways. I have noticed that he did not use the prong collar that an owner had for their nervous dog. Wondered if anyone else had seen this series and noticed a change?

I don't watch him magica - I figure that if folks who disapprove of him don't switch on then his ratings will plummet and he'll be taken off air :-D  Well, every little helps LOL.

I'm glad that you feel he's toned down a bit though because there will always be a following for this type of show :(

I caught a bit of it yesterday when the woman was trying to walk down the mountain.

Yep, I've seen a few of the new shows, he has calmed his approach down in the ones I've seen.

I saw him working with a dog that was born with no front legs, the owners had tried to get the dog to use a scooter/wheelchair type thing, but the dog was too frightened to move in it. Cesar did a 'slowly, slowly' appraoch using treats to reward and also using a big fuss from the owners to reward. The little dog ended up enjoying her cart :) For most cases in the past series he would use a flooding appraoch, but in this episode - out came the treats and fuss and 'gooood girl' praises! This was a very small dog, so it wasn't that he was being gentle for fear of being bitten, I've seen him use a 'softly, softly' approach before, with an African Mastiff - I was suspicious that may have been due to the size of the dog!

I don't think he's transformed, but at least it's a step in the right direction - reward based training to instill a positive association - whatever next ;)

> woman was trying to walk down the mountain

What mountain? think you've watch different episode from me, I'm talking about series 4 on Nat Geo wild on at 8pm :-)

The programme on last night had a jack Russell who was missing the dead cat and liked going under the owners chair- a frightened chow x bull that couldn't handle having the cooker put on and young girl with cancer and her rottie & Mothers GSD? 

> Yep, I've seen a few of the new shows, he has calmed his approach down in the ones I've seen.
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Glad I'm not the only one who has noticed. My son can't stand him still- but as all about dogs thought I would give it a go.
The first one I saw was of a farm dog completely feral, who kept having puppies so the owners wanted her spayed they have had this dog on their land for 2 years running with their horses it was sweet seeing her play with the young foals. Well she beat Cesar and he did say that he has learnt a lesson about being patient! The other one I enjoyed and noticed him being kinder with is of a rescue bull terrier who didn't want to walk. 

He must of been listening and reading all the moaning of dog lovers around the world on the web about his brutal ways before so has calmed down his bully tactics somewhat :-)

> The other one I enjoyed and noticed him being kinder with is of a rescue bull terrier who didn't want to walk. 

I saw that one :) I'm not sure if it was with that dog or a different one, where Cesar was talking about the need to find the indivudaul dogs motivation and how some dogs are motivated by food or toys etc. but some dogs are motivated by other dogs. Anyway, he used 'Daddy' as motivation to get the Bull Terrier to walk and it worked a treat :) No alpha rolls, jabs or dragging on the lead involved :)

>My son can't stand him still- but as all about dogs thought I would give it a go.

LOL, my OH can't stand him, he says he's 'arrogant, cheesy, and loves himself' !!! I do like to watch anything with dogs in though, it just has to be when OH isn't around!

I don't mind him yes cheesy but he has really toned down his methods in this series so far so he must be listening the feedback. I'm happy to continue to watch this series he does make sense at times and I have actually seen a different side to some dogs issues.

I'm not convinced. The one person I know that watched an episode being filmed saw negative associations made with the sss noise using prong collars before the cameras were rolling. So when they turned the cameras on the dog reacted strongly to the ssss - it wasn't some magical sound or inner force. They poor thing had just learned that the scary noise meant pain. :-(

> I'm not convinced

Fair dues- only noticed with this series 4 he is having a different approach in my mind.
When I saw this fearful little tan dog with a prong collar on, I thought Oh no not again! as before Cesar would always use whatever the owner had for them.
I hate those vile collars, but I did not see that collar on the dog once with him, which is a plus in my mind.

I've been watching this all week and yes, I noticed he had calmed down a bit with his approach.
I still don't approve of him using his feet to 'touch' the dog (thnk it was the one with the bulldog?) but I do like watching his programmes.

And he has such lovely white teeth :)

> And he has such lovely white teeth

Oh Deeeelia!!!
*passes a cuppa*
"Take sugar??" *HG switches sugar bowl for box with BROMIDE written on it and adds heaped spoonful to Missis's Tea!!!!*

I was going to say the same lovely teeth..   Love to see nice teeth :-)

Lmao! But he has !

*spits out tea* no sugar or need of bromide for me ta :)

My concern with his programme and maybe the others as well is that they show you what they want on screen. How many problems and what have they gone through to get the dog to behave on screen??

With CM looking good on TV, great for the viewers, but has his methods changed off camera?

what day is it on

Its on at 8pm every night on ch 528 nat geo wild. repeated again at 11pm.

I like the dog whisperer..

but some people who watch the show dont take into account that his methods should be used for the most extreme cases and should be flexable to the age,breed and sensitivity of your dog. There is a new person at our training who has used the methods from the start with her collie, and often uses things he does without needing to, as this collie is super sensitive and intelligent and doesnt need a heavy handed approach..

anyway im going on a bit but i think hes great.

Thanks fot the date and time

I just enjoy watching doggie programmes as long as the dogs are not getting hurt . It makes a change from all the other nasty stuff on telly

Did anyone see last night's show, with the service dog who had PTSD?  Cesar took him in for 70 days & worked a miracle, he was in tears when the dog's owners came for him, i have to admit i cried too.........LOL   

70 days he took that long no must be a mistake surely just one session should be enough with the miracle worker

I missed that one, what is PTSD? please?   Is it repeated I wonder on Sky ?

PTSD - Post Traumatic Stress Disorder.I watched it,brought a tear to my eyes too.

Oh it sounds sad not sure Ill watch it if its repeated! I have mixed feelings on service dogs and how they should be used

I don't remember him saying he can train a dog in one session?
He very often takes dogs on for a week or more until he feels the dog has progressed enough to return.

He gives the impression that he"rehabilitates"in one session & TBH if I had a dog with PTSD I would want to work with my dog & not to hand him/her over to a man who has a vast dog pack & a bad reputation of using pinch collars/illusion collars/alpha rolling. Much better for the dog to be with it's handler & employ more empathic methods such as T Touch.

His supporters always point out that he doesn't train dogs he"rehabilitates" them

I would want to work with my dog as well but some can't/don't/ cope.
I didn't see the one last night so can't comment on that particular episode.
But nobody could have as many dogs as he has without having a passion for animals. I don't believe he is all bad. BUT that is jmo and there has been so many debates on whether he is wrong or right in his methods - no to shock collars etc, but some of his methods do work.
I like listening to him, even if he does repeat himself a lot :)

And he has such lovely teeth :)

i do watch this programme and find him good but one thing i dont agree with is when he said dogs live in the moment and dont live in the past but i find this hard to believe as so many dogs are scared from past experiences so i believe they do remember things. just a thought that came in my head whilst watching some of the old series but yes do agree he is fantastic

> I would want to work with my dog as well but some can't/don't/ cope.

This was a service dog & the handler must be able to cope otherwise they would not be employed as a professional handler QED-all for publicity. Not seen any of the new series, but anyone who alpha rolls one dog is not a good person & his pack cannot receive individual attention from him on a daily basis(way to many dogs)so can hardly be his pack. He should realize that in the wild the dog/wolf packs never reach 50 + so he cannot claim to base his pack on a wild one

Just agreeing with Moonmaiden here that over 50 dogs cannot receive individual attention by one person in a day.  I don't like the guy but have to admit I have started reading one of his books (it was bought for me) i'm only reading so as to get an insight into other people's ways.  It irritated me in the first section when he said to get a collar on a nervous/aggressive GSD he chased her until she was exhausted and submitted....mmm...who want to teach a dog in that cruel way???  Not me for sure.
It also states in his book that he does not always visit his centre every day where the 50+ dogs are kept, his other staff go there for him.

I'd be interested to see a programme where he does updates on dogs he's "rehabilitated" in previous series.If you go on his website you would expect to see loads of testimonials but in fact there's only 5 which must mean something.So have all those other dogs improved permanently or was it just a quick fix? Have any been made worse?

I saw the one with the very nervous dog, it was very interesting to see how he went in backwards so as to be less intimidating, and before long he had got this dog to trust him where before it was running away from everything. I think he's quite good with the nervous ones as a rule, it's the confrontational way he uses with the domineering dogs that I don't like. But then I'll watch pretty much anything with dogs in! :-)

The fundamental problem with Milan is that he thinks that his crude techniques of copying dog-to-dog behaviour are actually experienced by the dog in the same way they would another dog.   Dogs know humans are not dogs.   So however hard Milan pretends to act like a dog with his techniques - grabbing the neck of the dog ("like its mother") or jabbing the dog in its side (recent episode I saw on one of the cable channels) - is NOT going to be confused by the dog as anything like natural dog behaviour.

And the thing about the alpha role - the only way you can force a dog to be submissive is through fear -- a dog that goes into an alpha role with another dog does of its own choice.   Shoving the dog down and holding it into position until it gives up is not the same thing; its punishment.

In another of the shows I saw recently I watched him walk with a small dog who had a regular choke collar on - they don't call them "choke" for nothing.   He had the collar up underneath the dogs throat and gave it a hard jerk every time the dog did something Milan did want - imagine a chain held right up high, tight, at the top part of your neck - you'd pay attention too.  

> a dog that goes into an alpha role with another dog does of its own choice.

I had a dog that would alpha roll others - he never gave them the chance to do it willingly, he would force them into it and let them go when they gave in. I'm not justifying people alpha-rolling dogs, just saying what I've seen myself.
I've seen my Mastiff lay down with his belly showing to appease my other dog when the Mastiff has got to rough in play & the other dog has not been happy about it, the other dog did not grab him by the neck (or grab him anywhere), this was a willing show of submission on the Mastiffs part so the other dog had no need to grab his neck or hold him down.