Hi,

I'm planning on importing a puppy from Sweedento the UK. Unfortunatley the breeder can't keep the puppy until she is 10 months & has completed the Pet Passport tests etc, so it's looking like I'll need to book her into quarantine in the UK.
I was wondering if anyone would be able to advise me on how to go about actually getting her into the UK. I know it seems a bit of a daft question but neither I nor the breeder know where to start!!
From what I'e found out from DEFRA not all airlines carry livestock & those that do seem to carry them as Cargo.  I've tried to find out what Airlines etc but am getting nowhere!
Can anyone help at all?

All advice gratefully received!

Thanks

I am in the process of exporting my girl to Australia and using a broker to sort the flights and advise my vet about all the things that need to be done. I am sure it's possible to do it alone, but the last thing you want is something going wrong! Maybe try googling 'pet shipping companies' and get some quotes? Good luck!

Ryslip kennels. "Ryslip is the only specialist Livestock shipping company in the U.K to hold an IATA licence, and has been exporting dogs and cats for well over 35 years."
   www.ryslip.com

try Par Air Shipping agents.

http://www.parair.co.uk

http://www.defra.gov.uk/animalh/quarantine/index.htm

Contains all the relevant details...best of luck!

Even when travelling with my bitch she had to come back into the UK as manifested Cargo (travelled out as excess baggage though at greater cost than actual baggage) and go through the Quarantine station at Heathrow (for which your charged) the same happens if they are going into Quarantine except the quarantine kennels carrier collects them not you.

I dealt with Overhill kennels who provided a top class service, and they have been brilliant with two of my exports and also helpful with queries re exporting or importing.

Thanks for the advice - I'm so happy that it seems possible to do.
I was begining to feel like there was no way of getting my new girl here without using the pet passport system.
I must admit though - I don't like the idea of her having to go into Quarantine, but I have no other choice.
A friend of mine had suggested using a foster home so that she can come in via the pet passport. I've tried googling it but can't find out anything either - I think I'm just totally Google iliterate!

I would definately get a quarantine kennel involved in the transport over.  I have personally used parair before they got their own telly program.  Lovely people and the two pups came out of quarantine in great condition.  They know everything you could ever want to know about moving animals.
As for the pet passport it takes just as long to get all the paperwork done as it does to serve the quarantine.  But whichever way you do it the cost of bringing them over is a hell of a lot of money.  So that must be one special puppy.

Emma

I found a family in France which look after dogs while they are waiting for their pet passports to come in. This its a Belgian Shep owner. They are English and moved out there and do all the training which is needed and easier to visit the dog(possibly) depending on where you live. You pay them and they look after the dog as if its their own. Socialise it for you and they have kids as well, so it looks a great package. You can go and meet them prior to this as well

What area of the country do you live as i know some fab quarentine kennels near me.

I'm trying to find the couple who do this in France if your interested.

but if you are putting a young pup in quarantine kennels for its first 6 months, arent you gonna wreck socialisation and end up with an emotionally damaged adult with behaviour issues?

Hello Parky,

Is there no one you can find someone abroad to keep your import for you, until the Pet Passport is complete? Does the breeder not know a friend that can do this?

I have just imported a Hamiltonstovare from Sweden who is staying with my friend in the Netherlands.

I flew Mango from Gothenburg to copenhagen then to Amsterdam with SAS who were Excellent, they even rang my friend Alinda to check she would be there with me to pick him up from Cargo, Mango was not phased at all by any of the travelling. Please remember if you fly your import to the UK you will have to pay tax. Amsterdam I did not!!

Best of luck.

Pam

>but if you are putting a young pup in quarantine kennels for its first 6 months, arent you gonna wreck socialisation and end up with an emotionally damaged adult with behaviour issues?

Brainless (one of the posters on here) will be able to tell you of her experience in doing that, which is quite the opposite.

> but if you are putting a young pup in quarantine kennels for its first 6 months, arent you gonna wreck socialisation and end up with an emotionally damaged adult with behaviour issues?

In the days before the Pet Passport 1,000s of dogs came through quarantine unaffected, even from 12 weeks of age, why ? because of people like my friend, Carol, who took(& still take)great pains to interact with their charges & thus ensure that the emerge unscathed

Have you any experience of bringing a dog in through Quarantine recently ??

Yes there were bad Q kennels, but with the reduction in business the poor ones by & large ave gone to the wall

I'm another of Cam's former owners, and I can testify that he came out of quarantine a very well-rounded individual.  This can only be due to the careful early socialising by his breeder in the States, the good care he received in the quarantine kennels, and a sound temperament as the foundation to build on.  Brainless also spent a lot of time visiting him in the kennels and working on as wide a range of experiences as was possible.

Krusewalker, my Dilita was one of the most stable, fantastic dogs ever and she had to go through quarantine, she was 12 months on the day though when she went into quarantine.

The younger boy did have problems especially as he was housed in a kennel when in the UK, when he eventually went and lived in a family home he was a changed boy.

So yes it can be problems for some but not all.

I also know of an English family who live in France who may also take your dog in their kennels.  When I enquired for someone else they said that they would treat it as much as possible as their family dog also.  If you are interested in their details PM me.

In the days before the Pet Passport 1,000s of dogs came through quarantine unaffected, even from 12 weeks of age, why ? because of people like my friend, Carol, who took(& still take)great pains to interact with their charges & thus ensure that the emerge unscathed

Have you any experience of bringing a dog in through Quarantine recently ??

Yes there were bad Q kennels, but with the reduction in business the poor ones by & large ave gone to the wall

No, never (Pet Passport). Hence my question.

I went to a quarantine kennels once for a job interview and the owner told me the dogs literally were not allowed outside their own kennel for 6 months. Is this true?
How does one fully socialise - in the Ian Ddunbar/Jean Donaldson description - a young pup to the full range of advised socialsiation situations if he only lives in a kennel situation for 6 months?

For example, traffic, urban areas, council estates, traveling in cars and buses, different types and shapes and looks of people, young kiddies, rabbits, cats, etc, etc?

My views on socialisation are that it is to give your dog experiences of any/all potential future lifestyles, not that which you just inhabit now, as you dont know where life can lead you.
Its my belief that often dogs get socialised just to what is immediately obvious and nothing else, then if your circumstances dont change too dramatically during dog's lifetimes, then you will be ok just thru a default setting - lucky design, if you like. Also, you may be lucky to have a more hardy dog.
But say you quarantine a pup thru its critical phase and onwards first 6 months, then it comes home to a rural or suburban area, then you might have good fortune on your side, as the home location isn't too altered from the kennel location in terms of environmental exposure, business of neighbourhood etc.
But if he went from kennels to urban area, he could be nervous, or nervous aggressive.
Or this could happen when your life takes a down turn and you have to move to the city a couple of years later, for example.

I would be interested in jeangenies thoughts, as someone said she has good experience of this

>I would be interested in jeangenies thoughts, as someone said she has good experience of this

No, not me - I said that Brainless would be a good person to ask.

>My views on socialisation are that it is to give your dog experiences of any/all potential future lifestyles

My views are that you develop their ability to adapt without undue fear to whatever circumstances they find themselves. It's not possible to acclimatise a pup to everything they might possibly experience throughout their lives (I might choose to move to India, and I haven't acclimatised my dogs to the sight of elephants, for example) - it's teaching them that new experiences aren't something to fear which is important.

The dogs in Quarantine are not allowed out of their run & kennel for obvious reasons & are not allowed to mix with other dogs unless they came in together. In the past we've brought in two GSDs as 12 week old puppies & they both sailed through quarantine & never had any problems with traffic, people, other dogs/animals etc etc. The kennel hands do spend a long time with the dogs, much more than in a boarding kennels(the ratio of dogs to humans is much lower. I know with both our dogs the kennel staff were very upset when the puppies left their care. Our dogs were brought in two years apart BTW

Fostering in France/the Netherlands is a better option than quarantine obviously is only for the fact tyat you cfan visit & take the puppy out & about & build up a relationship with your new dog

cheers jeangenie, good points for me to consider there

> but if you are putting a young pup in quarantine kennels for its first 6 months, aren't you gonna wreck socialisation and end up with an emotionally damaged adult with behaviour issues?

Not if the dogs inherited temperament is sound.

3 Friends and I brought in a 9 1/2 week old Norwegian Elkhound puppy (before Pet passport) though Quarantine at Overhill.

He was at his first show (9 months old) loving everyone canine or human and was unphased by anything he encountered at his first show 3 days after coming out.

This was Evesham Open show the day after they held a champ show there, so a very large show where he had experience of being benched etc.

He is probably one of the most well adjusted dogs I know, and has passed on his very easy going nature to his offspring.

Personally I would prefer to visit the dogs every day or as with him 3 days a week rather than have him living with someone else with only the occasional visit from me over the waiting period, but that is my breed where the nature is bold and energetic with temperament required to have no sign of nervousness or aggression.

Our Diva went Best Puppy in show at a GSD breed show 16 days after coming out of Q & I had in the intervening 15 days got her trained to walk on the lead in towns & out here in the country plus getting her ring ready

The only problem we had with Cam was that he hated riding in the car at first, but simply stays in one corner putting up with it, but would dig his heels in protesting being put in.  Not surprising really as his first journey out of Quarantine was from Bristol to Herefors and the alst part was all twisty roads.

He has travelled to and won titles in 4 countries otutside the the UK so it doesn't ahve any long term effect.