While waiting at my friends today I picked up her local paper to read.
I noticed a advert that stated "Licensed registered accredited breeder"

The advert was advertising:
Labradors - black, chocolate, golden
Westie's -
English Springer spaniels - liver/white
Boxers - red/white, brindle  docked/imports
Shih-Tzu - black/white
Jack Russell's - various colours docked/imports
Cocker spaniel - golden, blue/roan, black/white, black/red
German Shepherds - black/sable
Pomeranians - orange toys
Miniature Yorkshire terriers - steel, blue/tan

I checked the website on advert and it states KC approved does the KC approve of an accredited breeder importing docked dogs? I thought you where not allowed to show them if docked. Is this usual for an accredited breeder to breed that many breeds?

Anyone can call themselves anything - at a glance it would appear that's what has happened here.  

Advertising as "Licensed registered accredited breeder" is not the same as advertising as a "KC Accredited Breeder" however if you feel this *puppy farmer* is abusing the name or is in fact a member of the KC ABS, then please inform the appropriate authorities immediately - the KC to ensure they are not part of the scheme or don't continue to be if they already are and also the RSPCA in relation to the docked pups

We can all help clean up the pedigree dog breeders' image if we make every effort to report this type of advertising by less than savoury money grabbers who are exploiting breeds and the general public.

United we stand ;)

Teri the website html states KC approved but cant actualy see it said on the website, i'm doing a little research in google to see if any truth in it.

If you go into the breeds on the KC's site and click on finding a puppy in each (or as many as you can considering the hour LOL) then if this person is part of the scheme then his/her name will show up with the ABS icon beside it :)

If you don't know what I mean then by all means pm me the URL and I'll run through some.

Considering they don't even know the correct names of the breeds - i.e. blonde labradors and Scottish Black Terriers I'd be very surprised if they stand up to scrutiny ;)

> If you go into the breeds on the KC's site and click on finding a puppy in each (or as many as you can considering the hour LOL) then if this person is part of the scheme then his/her name will show up with the ABS icon beside it :-)
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> If you don't know what I mean then by all means pm me the URL and I'll run through some.

LOL just looked at the time,I will go hunting at the KC website not sure for how long . I have pm you :)

OK, suspect is not showing up as connected to Rotts, Staffs, ESS, Labradors - and the stud dogs advertised on the site are unknowns - i.e. they have no affixes (kennel name which identifies a breeder) except for one which carries the KCs own affix - a bad sign as this is someone who couldn't be bothered looking for a name that would be approved or interested in paying an annual fee for retention :)

Perhaps Trading Standards may be interested in this rather serious misrepresentation - in view of the high profile towards buying from respectable breeders has been pushed!

the answer to your question is no the accredited breeder scheme with the kennel club states that all new owners shall see the dam with her puppies and any other relatives on the premises, do they import the whole family? as a start, they do not promote anything that is illegal and now days docking is, i find it very hard to beileve that a licenced breeder or accredited breeder would have the knowledge that they would need for all these breeds in there life time, its bad enough trying to keep up with one breed so i dont think for one minute these people are breeders, they certaintly are not accredited breeders  what ever they think they are there just money grabbing dealers.  if they say they bred the dogs i would be very surprised to be proved wrong. the kennel club get the blame for everything these people are milking the k.c name, and this goes on all the time the k.c should start putting there foot down regarding puppy dealers, they are milking everyone and banking on others names, and hurting the innocent in the process. molly sorry i am so wound up. molly

Nope - I can confirm he's not a KC Accredited Breeder of ANY of the breeds mentioned :)

Just as I suspected from your original post - this is a low life pond dweller who farms pups for financial gain   Vile creature!

> Nope - I can confirm he's not a KC Accredited Breeder of ANY of the breeds mentioned :-)
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> Just as I suspected from your original post - this is a low life pond dweller who farms pups for financial gain <IMG alt=mad src="/images/mad.gif">&nbsp; Vile creature!

I also can not find anything to prove this person is a KC Accredited Breeder

Thank you Teri for helping research, the pit of my stomach so told me something was so wrong about this advert.

> the kennel club get the blame for everything these people are milking the k.c name, and this goes on all the time the k.c should start putting there foot down regarding puppy dealers, they are milking everyone and banking on others names, and hurting the innocent in the process. molly sorry i am so wound up. molly

I agree molly. if we all see something that doesnt sit right and we find proof then we can hand it to the right people to help stop it.

States that he is licensed so I would check with his local council and find out if he is, if not then I am sure that they will be very interested as you are supposed to hold a licence if breeding on this scale.

If it is the site I have seen, based on Teri's information on what they are calling the breeds, they give a local council licencing number so it would seem they are licenced but I cannot see that they are saying anywhere that they have been accredited by the KC, just accredited, whatever that might mean.  By the council I suppose.
It doesn't even say if the puppies are registered with the KC only that the breeds can be found in their list.  I am not sure what the KC can do about something like this as they have very cleverly worded things it seems and do not appear to have broken any laws or trading standards rules.

>I am not sure what the KC can do about something like this as they have very cleverly worded things it seems

Using the word 'accredited' is certainly misleading (deliberately? Probably), and although the KC probably can't do anything about it - the word isn't copyright or anything - I'm sure they'd like to know how people are taking advantage.

> I'm sure they'd like to know how people are taking advantage.

And then what?  If no law is broken, as you say, the word is not copywritable what can they possibly do?  It just the same as when they claim puppies are registered.....but not with the KC :-(

> the word isn't copyright or anything - I'm sure they'd like to know how people are taking advantage.

I agree - even if their hands are tied re breeders of this type (which sadly they are) it could mean they will look more realistically into how best to portray and promote responsible breeders who tick all the boxes for optimum health, including top rate test results, good character and offer a life long commitment to their progeny and their owners. 

IMO if the KC only registered pups from breeders who followed the strictest codes the KC can put in place (covered also by permanent ID of all breeding animals and progeny) then there would be no confusion re two tier systems.  KC registration itself would be a mark of quality and no matter how well twisted the adverts of BYBs and PFs if they didn't have KC registered pups the public, through education, would over time realise such breeders were to be avoided.

Isabel if you check the website again the title in html states: "KC Approved Puppy and Puppies from (website name).  Rottweiler Puppie, Staffordshire Terrier Puppie and More"
Yes they do not say KC approved on the actual website but it's in the html and If you search the website say in google this comes up the words KC Approved Puppy and Puppies from (website name).  Rottweiler Puppie, Staffordshire Terrier Puppie and More" come up so this breeder is saying KC approved. Put your cursor on the tab of website and you will see :)

Ah I see.  Well that can certainly be reported to the KC and trading standards although I wonder if they will come up with another explanation for what KC can stand for!

Could the 'KC approved' simply mean that some (or all, or not all) are puppies registered with the Kc, and as the Kc has accepted that litter and registered it, they are 'approving' of it? Also for the stud dogs, if they are Kc reg they are also approved? Apart from the 'stud book' i didn't think, and can't find, a list of 'Stud Dogs' on the kc website? The accredited statement could mean anything, unless they state they are KC accredited breeders which I couldn't find?

A dealer had on his wb site that he was an accredited breeder, it turned out he was not a KC accredited breeder, and when the Kennel Club looked into it he said he could advertise that he was an accredited Breeder because he had been accredited by the RSPCA as being a good breeder. Work that one out!

hi just a thought do you think this person got his wording around the wrong way instead of his advert reading k.c approved, may be it was meant to read approved by .k.c meaning approved by  keepers cottage, if you dont know what i am going on about take a look at posting puppy farmer on bb.c south wednesday 1 st october. cheers molly.

When you just use initials it could mean anything and who is to prove otherwise?  People should be advised to seek for the Kennel Club ABS.

I always thought ABS was something to do with Car Safety, so any abbreviations can lead to misunderstanding, LOL

That's true :-D

Automatic Braking System or something I think. :-D

I believe so but I have never progressed to such a refinement in my car :-)

Anti-locking Brake System I think?  (works a treat too Isabel, go on, spoil yourself ;) )
Whichever, considerably more reliable than the KCs version :-D

No advert in newspaper this week....

Hopefully progress :)  Thanks for the update.

regards, Teri

Hi Teri the advert is back and now says "Licensed registered breeder"