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Topic Dog Boards / General / two males together ........... your opinions please
- By ginastarr [ie] Date 11.09.08 19:46 UTC
hi
i currently have one male tt who is a big softie and a real mammie's boy :-) anyway i was thinking of getting another male and i was wondering do any of you have males together and how do they get on , i know it depend's on the breed , i have plenty of space now that i have moved so could keep them seperate if needed , any advice greatly appreciated

Georgina
- By Teri Date 11.09.08 19:55 UTC
Hi Georgina

it does depend on breed and also on individual characters.  I've kept entire males together with the occasional scuffle as the younger one went through the hormonal chancing of luck stages.  The original male was very dominant and while he could be quite easily prevented from being too heavy handed I had to remain aware of the possibilities and ensure there were firm rules in place re opportunistic bullying over food or toys etc.  Fortunately the second male with maturity decided he didn't want to challenge his big brother.  That said, usually, and unlike bitches, males who spat are very often all mouth and trousers.  IMO the important thing is to recognise which (if any) is top dog and not molly coddle the underdog as this can make a minor problem a major issue.

It sounds as though your existing lad is an easy going kinda guy so hopefully you would not have a problem - but you would have to accept that the newcomer may decide to be top dog with age and not allow yourself to feel sorry through guilt for the real mammie's boy :)

Hopefully you can get some breed specific advice - that's usually worth it's weight in gold!

Best wishes, Teri
- By ginastarr [ie] Date 11.09.08 20:17 UTC
Thank's Teri

yes he is very laid back too much sometimes especially when in the ring (i had to take over showing him as he would not show for my dad kept looking for me )

Georgina
- By perrodeagua [gb] Date 11.09.08 20:24 UTC
I have two males.  Anton was born and bred by me and is a real mummy's boy.  Lastar came over from Spain at the age of 6.  Both are still entire.  I of course have bitches too, so 98% of the time they are great together, 2% of the time Anton is a little so and so and has a go at Lastar, this is usually about a week before the girls come into season.

Thankfully Lastar is such a calm sweet boy and doesn't want to fight and does his best to keep out of things.

Thankfully it is only on rare occasions when Anton's hormones get the better of him.
- By JeanSW Date 11.09.08 20:40 UTC
I keep males together, and even though I currently have a girl in season, things are working out fine.  My Yorkie boy and Chi boy are in a 4ft puppy crate, Chi is cleaning Yorkie's ears at the moment.  You get the odd grumble, but I just explain that if there's any growling to be done, then I'll do it!!!
- By echo [gb] Date 11.09.08 21:02 UTC
Male TT and Beardie get on fine.  No squable except when girls in most desirable state. Good luck my TT pal so now its gonna be or 4 lol
- By hebeboots [gb] Date 11.09.08 21:02 UTC
Hi Georgina

I have two males. Both are entire, half brothers born a year apart. I have no problems with them (other than when they were younger over marking each other!) Geordi, the eldest is a total mummys boy and squeals like a hog if someone else so much as holds his lead.. totally adores me. Oscar his kid brother, on the other hand, couldn't give a hoot (charming, but he loves me really!), he's much more independent and very much the top dog. No problems between them, they have the odd squabble from time to time but nothing even remotely serious. I've always had bitches up til now and found I always had more trouble between the girls than the boys! My boys adore each other, right now they are both squished into the smallest cat bed you could imagine, cuddled up together!
- By suejaw Date 12.09.08 08:55 UTC
We have 2 entire males in the house, 1 Lab who is 4 and a Bernese who is 16 months. We've had the occasional squabble between them, usually when the Bernese has tried his luck.

The Lab is very easy going and to be honest is backing off with the Bernese who with his size blasts in and takes over. Saying that though bringing in the Bernese has brought new life to the Lab who now runs around like a loon at times, which he never did before.

We occasionally have my sisters entire Jack who is 6 in the house, the Bernese is fine with him. The Lab has no issues with him unless the Jack growls and grumbles at him and then the Lab has attacked him a few times, so we do have to separate them. Jacks are very stubborn dogs and he has had an issue with the Lab for many years now.

It does all depend on the character of the current dog and also the new pup. I don't know much about TT's as to whether they have the typical terrier behaviour or not. I would presonally go for one which is easy going and friendly, if there is one in the litter.
- By bint [gb] Date 12.09.08 14:59 UTC Edited 12.09.08 15:08 UTC
Two (castrated) males here, 3yr old brothers. One we've had from 8wks, the other we first met & rehomed in May. Never had a problem, they absolutely love each other & play great together. Was the best thing we ever did though can't say the garden's looking too hot! Also our original dog has tried copying his brother & doing things he wouldn't normally do like climbing onto the settee so good strong boundaries & consistency are called for.
- By Abbeypap [gb] Date 12.09.08 16:01 UTC
Hi,

I have three entire males, 9 and 2 year old who have been used at stud and my young boy at 10 months.
All live together in the house with my entire girls, never had anything more than a strop over who the toy belongs to.
- By The dachsie lad [gb] Date 12.09.08 18:24 UTC
Hi Georgina

I am one of the people that have not successfully kept 2 entire males together.  We did chemically netuer one of the males who originally started the fighting but as it got worse and we were finally unable to break up the fighting we had to admit defeat and rehome despite the fact that both males were quite easy going and had 2 years together as good friends.  But the older boy already suffered from fear aggression at shows after a dog tried to attack him in his crate and after the first 2 or 3 fights started by the younger one, the older boy I think would suddenly get frightened and attacked through fear.  Even the behaviourist said it was very complex.  But you can see lots of people have had no problems.  Just be aware that you cannot be 100% certain all will be well.

Louise
- By belgian bonkers Date 12.09.08 18:38 UTC
I have two entire males together, 1 Groenendael and 1 Staffy.  They do have the occasional best pals squabble but never anything serious.
- By Tigger2 Date 12.09.08 18:45 UTC
As Teri has said it very much depends on the breed, I would seek advice from TT breeders who have multiple males and see if they all live together happily. Up to quite recently I've always had several male hounds together with no problems at all :-)
- By Tanya1989 [gb] Date 14.09.08 13:57 UTC
we had two entire males who were the best of friends. one was a year older than the other and still they were inseperable.
- By LucyDogs [gb] Date 14.09.08 20:17 UTC
We bought a Cavalier and an American cocker, both lived happily together as entire males for 3.5 years, until we bought a bitch puppy. When she was 5 months old (and she didn't come into season until 11 months so it wasn't that) my OH went away for the weekend with the cocker and I stayed home with the Cavalier as we had shows to go to, and when they got home the boys just flew at each other. Various bad advice from so called behavourists made this worse I think, and although now, 3 years on, we haven't had a fight for many months, and have walked all three together without problems, I do keep them in separate rooms 95% of the time just so I am not always on tenterhooks. 9 times out of 10 they would walk past and ignore each other, the 10th time they would fly at each other, and I couldn't see any trigger. They are quite happy to sniff each other through the bars of the dog gate. Anyway I am getting to saying that it might go wrong, but assuming your ages are more than a year or two apart it may well be absolutely fine, specially without the added trigger of a girl!
- By Perry Date 15.09.08 10:39 UTC
I have 2 males, one entire (big softie) and one neutered (sometimes can be grumpy), they get on brilliantly, although initially the neutered rescue was a little grumpy, still is with new and strange dogs that we foster, but all in all they get on very well with each other.  You just need to be patient when introducing them, don't let your dog feel the new dog is taking over his territory, give your dog lots of priveleges like feeding first, putting his collar and lead on first, giving him the first treat, eventually it becomes second nature to them and you.
- By Whistler [gb] Date 15.09.08 11:36 UTC
Ive got two males a cocker complete 18 months and a Border castrated 16 months had both from young dogs no problem at all.
- By Dakkobear [gb] Date 15.09.08 12:14 UTC
I have tried this twice, first time no problems Bernese and Swedish Lapphund, 1 year apart in age, they really were the best of friends and if the lapphund took things a bit far the bernese would sit on him :-o

Bernese died age 4 and a couple of years later we got a rough collie puppy, everything Ok until collie became a teenager then it was just a complete disaster, they fought every time they met and eventually, after my 3 year old daughter accidently got into the middle of a fight and got bitten, we had to give the collie back to his breeder (she was delighted to have him as she hadn't wanted to sell him in the first place).

Dakko was then an only dog until he was 11 when we got a Bernese bitch followed by a gordon setter bitch a year later, by then he had been neutered for health reasons and he just ignored the girls completely!
- By Goldmali Date 15.09.08 12:36 UTC
I have a friend who has TTs and her two males have to be kept separate 100 % of the time, so do ask around TT people to find out what is most common in the breed.

Personally with male dogs I've not found it to matter the slightest whether they are entire or not -if they fall out they fall out, testicles or no testicles. Just like all my neutered boys still mate and tie with in season bitches given the chance.
- By dianamaz [hu] Date 15.09.08 12:55 UTC
Up untill 4 years ago I had two neutered males. The elder was 6 when we got the second who was 2.  There was some initial rivalry between them. The elder was very laid back and the younger very dominant. So the younger one was always trying to become the top dog, get the best sleeping place in front of the fire, always trying to be first! However, the older one was having none of it and they soon settled into a life together whereby the elder was the boss and the youngester, although more pushy and not half as laid back, was in last place.

I think it helped that we watched them closely for the first  few weeks and we could clearly see what sort of relationship they were having and so we reinforced this by treating the older one as the top dog, below us but above the other one.
This worked very well.

They lived happily together for 8 years before be lost the elder one. We did not get another dog as we felt that casper would not appreciate a new dog coming in as I said before he is a very dominant dog and he appears to be very happy to have us to himself!

I would, however, have 2 males again, but I think you do have to watch them very carefully for the first few weeks while they sort out pecking order.
- By parzac [fr] Date 15.09.08 13:38 UTC
5 males here, entire! All together, never a dull moment but never a 'hard word' either!
they have their girls around them and even when a mating is done .. still no problem .. as if they say: "your lucky day today!"
i think when stop breeding i will only have males around, much  easier, more affectionate and even when a new one comes in, regardless pup or older boy, SOFAR never a problem!
maybe it depends on the breed .. but i think it often depends on the owner!
our dogs get plenty of excercise, time to play and live with us .. in the house! Yet no marking or other bad behaviour! last year took a male of almost 2 years home from trip/visit to UK and from very moment he entered the house .. buddies with all the others .. in fact he turned out to become every bodies favorite .; all males, females want to be close to our boy andy.
i think temperament is the keyword.
- By newf3 [gb] Date 15.09.08 18:03 UTC
three males all living together.
Oldest (5) neuted , other two not.(2 and 8 1/2 months).
Having a bad time at the moment with older boy and two year old male. Trying his luck, humping standing over barging though doors etc.
None have ever been used at stud and no plans to either.
All three are shown at open level and younger two at champ shows also.
Advise would be gratfully recieved please. I had thougt about a tacdac injection for the two year old but when my older boy had this it turned him into a zombie.
- By Abbeypap [gb] Date 15.09.08 18:34 UTC
Newf 3,

Wish I could tell you how to do it.  But my boys just seem to fit together,
we also have visitors to stay both male and female and again they walk in
the house and become part of the group without any problem.

If we go to shows and visit or stay with friends who are caravaning all the dogs are put
into garden pens together, there are times when the mix of dogs is from a number
of different homes and there is the odd grumble, but those are watched and sorted
into a more suitable group for them.  All  are Papillons.
Topic Dog Boards / General / two males together ........... your opinions please

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