saw on a free add someone who claims to be a 'reputable breeder' and yet has crossed a long and smooth chihuahua together so pups cant be kc reg. i wouldnt mind if it were an accident, although keeping 2 tiny dogs apart shouldnt be hard, but its her 3rd litter from same bitch! are long and smooth cross chis called crosses (mongrels) or just not able to be registered? i thought they were frowned on. she claims they are 'popular in usa' but why? anyway- we arent in usa! or am i being too hard?

Sara,

I agree with a lot you're saying ;)  maybe the point is neither of the parents are registered, or they are endorsed so that litters can't be registered anyway.  Few RESPONSIBLE breeders would allow a mating to an unregistered or endorsed bitch ;) 

IMO there is a big difference between a 'reputable breeder' and a responsible breeder ;)  The first simply means they have a reputation, whether good or bad is anyones guess ;)  the second is responsible and does all the health tests, breeds ethically etc ;)

The question I always have in the back of my mind is "what was the purpose of the breeding of the litter?" 

The question I always have in the back of my mind is "what was the purpose of the breeding of the litter?" 

Mmmmmmmmm, let me guess, could it be money   bet she is asking more for this rare designer breed.

it was about 700 a pup i think, she claimed the male was kc reg

MMM

but if the mother isn't.... then the pups won't be ;)  bit of a cheek charging that much for un-reg pups IMO ;)

In this case it doesn't matter whether mum is or isn't !! Smoothcoat and Longcoat Chihuahuas are 2 separate breeds therefore any resulting puppies cannot be KC registered !

If it is her 3rd litter then it goes to prove that there are some idiots prepared to pay a ridiculous price for an unregistered pup.
Will be interesting to see in 5-10 years time when these "designer dogs" are suffering health problems because of bad breeding if the owners are willing to fork out huge sums of money for their dogs medical expenses or if they just limit the ridiculous prices to buying the pups not caring for them?!!!

more & more breeders have found a reason to have these designerbreeds, labradoodle goldendoodle, or whatever doodle/noodle they can breed!
i think that the strict rules in holland and here in france that when you breed a special breed all dogs on the premisis should be chipped, registered in the kennelclub( FCI) or one does not get pedigrees for the  present litter are just great!it stops those who want to do/or do this!
I do know of breeders who breed a "doodle litter",  after that litter then register a "pedigree litter"this way their bitch off;only has the 4 or 5 allowed litters on paper ..
having a rescue .. we DO end up with those crossbreds very often .. all the reasons they give: healthier, no allergic reaction, no hairs on carpet .; etc etc .. all lies! THEY are in it for the money! When you love your breed you dont want to see it mixed! .. anyway if wanting a cross, pay a 100£ and get yourself one from the rescuecenters etc.

> bit of a cheek charging that much for un-reg pups IMO

It is done all the time though... look at labradoodles etc... not saying it's right but it's not just her....

Well Parzac I hope we don't go down the route of registering them.  So you are saying that a mongrel can have one litter and then can be registered as a pedigree after that litter if it's one of those designer crosses?  Don't know whether I'm understanding your post correctly?

Many of these designer hybrids are getting health problems but their breeders are still stating that they are healthier than pedigrees which just isn't true.

Eh? I'm not Parzac.

Smooths are smooths - longs are longs - end of story.  They should not be crossed and cannot be registered.

It's only difficult keeping two tiny dogs apart it you have 'collected' more than you can actually manage, which unfortuantely seems to happen with this and other toy breeds obviously beacuse of their size.

Im just thinking and cant work out what anyone would gain from crossing a long haired with a short haired?!!.......so you get an "inbetween length haired"?!   WHATS THE POINT?!!!!

not even, more often than not, you either get a predominantly smooth with whispy fluff around the ears and tails, or predominantly long.  Sometimes you do get in betweenys and they just look like longs with really poor coats!  There is no point!

crossbreeds, designerbreeds, doodles, what ever you call them: no registrations here, no pedigrees, nothing! thats why i mentioned best to get a rescue dog, much cheaper !and you do a good job by giving a dog a second chance!
i think a good breeder what ever breed he has doesn't mix! hard enough already to breed excellent dogs according to the standard! with all the required healthcertificates!

to perrodeagua
Well Parzac I hope we don't go down the route of registering them.  So you are saying that a mongrel can have one litter and then can be registered as a pedigree after that litter if it's one of those designer crosses?  Don't know whether I'm understanding your post correctly?

I think the post was to say that a bitch has a x litter (unreg) then mated and a pure litter (reg) etc so bitch has 8 litters but KC anly know and reg 4 of them - well within permissable limit.
at least thats the way I read the post.
Chris

thats awful IMO poor bitch

What has really saddend me just now is I've seen a havanese yorkshire terrier cross labled as a highly desirable mix.  Yes they admit its a mix and I know how careful the havanese breeders have been not to let this little dog fall into the wrong hands as they have a struggle to get the breed recognised here and now some money grabber is selling highly desirable mixes for more than the price of the pure bred - beggars belief!

fools and their money.Chi's  are the breed that to me appear to be exploited. Merles ???  unregistered  selling for mega bucks.  makes me soooo angry

talking about havanese, i also saw recently cotton detulear cross poodles- another new breed only just recognised/imported and already being crossed! why oh why??

yes and i bet the breeders are kicking themselves that they let the dogs go to someone who will exploit them.

saw a maltese cross advertised for £1000.

>saw a maltese cross advertised for £1000.

How do you make a Maltese cross?
Poke your finger in his eye.
:D

*I'll get my coat*

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