I am fuming - I've just heard that because they have acquired a different breed - a fellow exhibitor is now about to place all her Belgians on our  breed rescue (I am  deliberately being vague about the details !) - she calls it decluttering - I wont repeat what I call it !!!!!.

My point is that our system of breed rescues facilitates this kind of behaviour - we always take the dogs - no matter how many times a breeder may 'declutter' !!!!- how can we provide a safety net for our breeds and still ensure that people face up to their responsibilities and not use us as a dumping ground when the novelty of a new breed calls ?.

Yvonne

Decluttering??!!  Sounds like your breed is better off without this person!

I'm not sure how breed rescue can avoid this sort of thing.  Hopefully it's a rare occurance!  Have the breeders of her dogs been informed so they can have them back?  Or did she breed them herself?  If it's the latter then breed rescue will just have to take a deep breath and do what's best.  The dogs have to come first of course.  At least if she's getting rid of all the dogs she has of your breed then this particular problem won't happen again (not with her anyway).

If it were me I'd be having a quiet word with some of the people in her new breed - at least they can be forewarned.

Debs

"we always take the dogs"

THEN STOP !!  If your rescue accepts dogs in this manner, then they actually 'encourage' breeders to take the easy option. If your rescue changes its policy and refuses to take dogs being dumped by breeders in this manner, then it puts the responsibility back on the breeder. Breed rescues are not there for this purpose in my opinion and if breeders 'know' that it is their responsibility to rehome the stock and NOT rescues, then they may think twice. There is a big difference between helping a breeder to find a home for the odd animal, but never their whole stock. If the breeder has already dumped her dogs in Rescue, then I would be naming and shaming them in the Dog Press. Rescue is not in place for this purpose and Rescues should 'toughen up' and not make it so easy for such breeders :)

If this breeder is registered with us, please PM me.

I agree it's a vicious circle but if the rescues stop taking dogs from breeders what do you think will happen to them - in a lot of cases they will end up dumped or worse, and in my opinion breeding dogs deserve the chance to a loving home just as any other rescue does.

Like I said I agree that this is a vicious circle but I don't believe rescues stopping taking breeding dogs will do any more that increase the number of strays or aid in many breeding dogs living miserable lives.  It's breeding regulations that need to change and toughen up which is also unlikely to happen so I guess in the meantime we just have to do what we can.

That's awful! Breed Rescue should charge the breeder for this service They are going to have to kennel these dogs and find new homes for them. Why should they have to pick up the bill?

Our breed rescue expect a breeder to take care of their own breeding and only helps out if they are unable and that is with dogs they have sold! 

If a breeder can't take a dog in because they have a bitch in season or are unwell they have been billed with the kennelling costs.  This happened to a friend with a 10 year old dog she bred, when she asked rescue to help.

This breeder should be charged for the re-homing service.

Unfortunately I know of another person who did the same with her dogs!  I can't believe that this ever happens but there again I have most of my dogs that I'll never show etc. and I could never get rid of them like that because I just don't care about the breed anymore.

Yvonne can you PM me who it is?

As for Admin's remark -there are apparently discussions in our breed rescue at the moment with people not being able to agree on what should and what should not be rescued, for instance some are of the view that no working strain Malinois should be handled by breed rescue due to the fact that there are many with dodgy temperaments, others think all should be helped. Difficult situation all round.

'Decluttering' what an appalling word. Perhaps the way forward would be for breed clubs to either ban the 'member' and not renew their membership for doing this or perhaps not accept any of their puppies on the puppy lists. Then at least maybe they would find it harder to sell puppies that they breed. Although just thought, she may be going against the code of conduct of the breed club.

This is a difficult one..... I do breed rescue for my breed and already this year have rehomed 7 dogs......
We have problems with a couple of particular 'breeders' (and I use that word loosely).... They are not members of the breed clubs though.....
At the end of the day I do usually find homes for all the dogs that come into rescue if they are of sound temperament because as much as I have no time for these people who breed them, their ignorance and lack of knowledge isn't the dogs fault...
I also do the puppy list and will only recommend people who are members of the breed club to buy puppies from and I also advise people not to buy from free ads pages....

Yvonne, perhaps these dogs will be better off in new homes where they will be loved. I know it isn't ideal but when I see a dog I have rehomed happy and content in a 'forever home' I feel happy, but the bitterness and sadness for the situation never goes away...

Gabrielle x

that is awful, how in the hell could anybody do that?? stop being vague about details, i say name and shame, though apparently they have no shame! you've got to get the word out to the new breed because they will just do the same to them. i am enraged by that. how, simply how can anyone do that?

>i say name and shame

Er no, don't name and shame :) The laws of libel are stringent on the Internet ;)

yes I know !!! which is why I'm being ultra discreet- however ours is a small close knit breed and word will  get around !!!)- Luckily there are arrangements in hand to return some of the dogs back to their original breeders (who were quick to respond and take them back) but sadly some others are bred by the owner and will need rehoming.

Admin I'm entirely with you on this - I think that breed rescue needs to be rethought - we MUST stop providing a service for irresponsible owners or breeders - if they had to do the dirty work themselves then pehaps they would think twice about their behaviour. This kind of wholesale 'clearing out' should never be facilitated by breed rescue.

Marianne - I also think that we should stop accepting all these badly bred , unrehomable working line Malinois - to be honest the explosion in interest in this variety amongst those who like a 'hard' dog has led to pups being born with the kind of temperament that makes them totally unsuited to life in a family home - and the working Malinois world does little if anyuthing to help support our rescue - why should the show breeders foot the bill ? - not to mention the dreadful reputation that this variety will have as a result of this.

We are fortunate that we are a small supportive group and usually have  a waiting list for Groens, Tervs and Malinois from show lines - we will be able to absorb these dogs and find them new homes - heaven help other breeds if this kind of thing goes on across the board !

Yvonne

> we MUST stop providing a service for irresponsible owners or breeders - if they had to do the dirty work themselves then pehaps they would think twice about their behaviour. This kind of wholesale 'clearing out' should never be facilitated by breed rescue.
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> Marianne - I also think that we should stop accepting all these badly bred , unrehomable working line Malinois

the thing is if breed rescues don;t take them in they get kicked out anyway and end up getting PTS or go to a non breed rescue- i.e. no experts to help rehome so more chance it recurring.

i totally see your points but its a bit of a rock and a hard place situation isn't it?

also, fair enough about the legal implcations of naming them, but i'd say if theres anyone you know on the site in their new breed let them know so they can put the word about or something- if they;ve done this once you can jsut see someone coming on here in a few years saying "you'll never believe what this breeders doing with their pugs/bulldogs/gsd's/danes/whatever..."

forewarned is forearmed