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Topic Dog Boards / General / Skinning GSD'S
- By Beardy [gb] Date 05.03.08 18:14 UTC
Has anyone seen this article published on Sunday? It is absolutely shocking & it's unbelievable that it can happen anywhere in the world, let alone here, in a civilised, dog-loving society:

http://notw.typepad.com/newsoftheworld_scotland/2008/03/rage-at-scots-f.html
- By Merlot [in] Date 05.03.08 19:02 UTC
I cannot believe this, my views on the RSPCA and such organizations has never been good but has now reached rock bottom.
For G*D's sake this man needs to be stopped..how many innocent victims must he slaughter before anything is done. Surely he is breaking laws somehow?? How does he "Kill" his victims? and house them and the pups he obviously churns out? I am too far away on the south coast to do anything but all you North of the border CDers must fight this tooth and claw...OH said if he is needed to get this man out then he is game!! Maybe a mass protest outside his premises and drawing lots of unwanted attention is needed..with no warning or notice for him, then the police may get involved and get into his place without warning to not give him time to "Clean up" his mess!!!
This has sickened me to the core.
Aileen
- By DEARLADY [gb] Date 05.03.08 19:09 UTC
oh that's horrendous :(

thos poor dogs....totally sickening

it amazes me how the authorities can come down on law-abiding dog owners and bring in all these council orders about breeds, how many dogs you can walk at any one time etc.....yet do virtually nothing about someone like this!!!!
- By belgian bonkers Date 05.03.08 19:22 UTC
OMG!  That's only 20 mins away from where I live!  I hope this sick b. gets what's coming to him!
- By Carrington Date 05.03.08 19:41 UTC
I was hoping that you had mis-spelt the title, and it was Skinny GSD's

:eek: Oh, my goodness, this is one time I would like to call the Animal activists to go and raid his home and rescue the dogs, how unbelievable that he is not immediately arrested and the dogs left taken into care. Do I hate red tape and the lack of speed from the laws that be.

Something trivial and silly they would be there straight away I bet. :-(

Poor, poor dogs.
- By mastifflover Date 05.03.08 20:29 UTC
this is HORRENDOUS!!!!!! I am enraged that sicko's like this exist in the first place, but how the hell is he allowed to carry on!!!!!

after looking on line I have found out that fur farming was banned in 2000, followed by a ban in Scotland "to prevent the fur farmers relocating in Scotland". although 'trading' in fur will not be banned until later on in 2008. Why on earth is nothing being done about it??????

here is a link to the UK prohibition,
http://www.uk-legislation.hmso.gov.uk/acts/acts2000/en/ukpgaen_20000033_en_1

and a link to the Scottish prohibition
http://www.scottish.parliament.uk/business/research/pdf_res_papers/rp01-15.pdf

maybee I am missing something?  if he can't be done on fur trading laws, why can't he be done for animal cruelty? I'm sure if I skinned my dogs (heaven forbid the - sick, cruel, wicked thought of it) I would be in big trouble.

that man doesn't need prison, he needs to feel the pain & torment he has put those poor, helpless dogs through.
- By JeanSW Date 05.03.08 22:01 UTC
And people hate animal activists - hell I wish they would skin him!
- By Brainless [gb] Date 05.03.08 23:27 UTC
Wow I didn't know fur farming was illegal in the UK.

When I used to go on holiday to Poland lots of people kept fur animals on their allotments as well as pigs and chickens etc.

Most often kept were coypu, Polecats, Silver Fox and a few people kept Mink.
- By Trevor [gb] Date 06.03.08 05:46 UTC
I doubt if this report is actually true - there is a ban on the sale of dog and cat fur in place now for all EU countries so there would be no market in Germany for him to sell to and thinking logically - if you were breeding dogs for their fur you would not choose a breed like a GSD !!. I suspect this is actually a case of someone who has too many dogs to cope with and who disposes of the bodies of any who die or are killed  on his own premises.

Yvonne
- By mastifflover Date 06.03.08 09:26 UTC Edited 06.03.08 09:34 UTC
Trevor - you are right to point out that just because it's in the paper doesn't mean it's true :)

However, GSDs are a popular choice in the fur trade as with other large longer haired dogs, thier pelts are normally dyed and passed  of as other things ie. wolf or faux fur. PALMED OF AS FAUX FUR !!!!! SHOCKING SHOCKING SHOCKING. These dog pelts (largely from Asia), are even making onto kids toys.

The report about the man skinning the GSDs also have a witness who saw pelts being hung out. What gets me, if somebody accused me of that and it was reported in the paper, I would go to the ends of the earth to prove my innocence and sue the paper for slanderous comments, but when the man was approached he had 'no comment' ?

link to an article:

http://www.scottishtorymeps.org.uk/archive/stevenson/issues/articles/article20.htm
- By Brainless [gb] Date 06.03.08 09:29 UTC
I would have thought the coats of Spitz type dogs would be more likely candidates though rather than GSD.  Something like the Akita, or sibes, with thick deep double coats.  GSD coats I don't think would make very good pelts.
- By morgan [gb] Date 06.03.08 09:56 UTC
i feel sick just reading your posts i cant even bring myself to look at the article.!
- By Freds Mum [gb] Date 06.03.08 10:24 UTC
If true this is absolutely disgusting, but looking at the pictures the dogs dont look cruelly treated (not skinny, tail between legs etc)
Hope to God it's not true
- By Anna [gb] Date 06.03.08 14:03 UTC
Apparently its not true - below is part of an email that the SSPCA sent to someone.

The News of the World article makes allegations that he is skinning the
dogs to sell the pelts abroad and one quote states "We saw skins being
dried and stretched over pallets in his field."

Scottish SPCA Inspectors have seen the drying stretched skins and it is
in fact tripe which he uses to feed the dogs. Mr Debidin also has an
arrangement with a local farmer to take fallen stock to also feed his
dogs. When the Society Inspectors visited, this accounted for the bones
and other animal remains on the site.

The only complaints that have been substantiated are those of barking
dogs and smell.

The dogs in Mr Debidin's care have all been of good body weight and
shown no signs of fear. The Scottish SPCA, like the Police, cannot
remove animals unless there is just cause for concern and barking dogs
and noxious smells are the remit of another agency.

Scottish SPCA Inspectors will continue to monitor the situation.
- By mastifflover Date 06.03.08 17:10 UTC
I feed tripe to my dogs, how could somebody confuse tripe (stomach linning) for animal pelts????

I'm sure the SPCA are inteligent enough to realise that a dog doesn't need to be skinny or frightened to be butchered for its fur. I' don't believe that the man has an arragment with a farmer to take 'fallen stock', who in thier right mind would feed dead cattle to thier dogs, without it have going through all the necessary routes (ie: slaughter house, disease checks etc..)

There are regulations in place regarding the strict control over fallen stock 'The Animal By-Products (Scotland) Regulations 2003'.
Farmers have to report the deaths of stock and use an 'approved disposal operator such as the local knackery or hunt kennel' or 'approved incineration unit' or there is a scheme in place where the farmer is subsidised 50% of the value of the dead animal and it is taken & disposed of by officials.

I can't see how there are no further investigations into the man saying he feeds his dogs on dead farm animals.
an extract from the SPCA animal welfare policy:
"36.2. The Society recommends that members of the public purchase produce that is supplied through a recognised, independently monitored, quality assurance scheme. Produce should not be
purchased from countries which do not have the equivalent UK welfare standards". I'm sure feeding dead cattle from a farmer is something that can be investigated.

It seems to me that nobody has done anything about this and they are trying to talk thier way out of it. There needs to be a serious investigation into these serious allegations.
- By suz1985 [gb] Date 06.03.08 22:58 UTC
there was a report a year or two back in the daily record paper, and they actually had a coat made from GSDs and had it on the street. they were asking passer bys to feel it and guess what it was made from, to prove a point. so it has certainly been used in the past. this is a shocking story, only hope its not true....
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