Being a miniature Schnauzer owner I thought that these had escaped the 'fashionable' cross breeding but have just seen these advertised!! 

£550!!??

Ludicrous!!

I feel in the minority owning a genuine poodle - nowadays all you seem to find are cook a poos, labradoodlesetc and now schnoodles. What next??!!!

You've forgotten the yorkiepoos, shipoos etc etc etc.

Years ago before the current fashion for 'poos'  I saw advertised puppies which were Mini SchnauzerXcocker    I still can't imagine what they would have looked like as adults - they are so different in shape and what on earth type of ears/carriage would they have???? 

I can't help thinking that (insert any name you like here)poo is the right name for them :-D  the whole designer xbreed thing is a load of, well, poo! ;)

Could understand it if they were creating a better breed but theyre not. However, while stupid people continue to buy them, stupid people will continue to breed them.
Was thinking of starting another post about the ridiculous adverts i keep seeing with puppys for sale. No mention of health tests, selective breeding from well bred lines etc, just things like "lovely dogs" "both parents can be seen" "used to cats"(!)
The list is endless with all the "doodles" and "poos"!!!!

I found a very jazzy website offering poodle crosses and mis-marked poodles so i e-mailed to ask what health testing they did .
I took their lack of a reply to be their answer !!!

Lol :-)   Says it all really

wonder if a cockerXpoodle could ever be a cokadoodle poo lol

Nope just cockerpoo.

Lol Louise DDB :-)  Bit of a mouthful that!!!

I think people give these cross breeds fancy names just to make them sound more exotic than they really are... and £550 is a ridiculous amount of money for a cross-breed.  Schnauzers and poodles are lovely in their own right - they don't need crossing!

I was on the phone to someone from Head Office one day and got chatting about my dogs. She announced she had a cocker-mation!!

Its just getting more and more ridiculous!!! A cocker-mation indeed :-(

It will soon be that we, the ones with pure bred dogs, with health tested dogs, etc will be the minority.  Soon it will be "Oh you have a (insert breed name here), I wonder what that is." 

Sad really

I think it all started with the labradodle. claiming to be non moulting.  At the training classes I rUN THE WORST CASTING DOG THERE EVER HAS BEEN A LABRADOODLE.  WE HAVE HAD JACKADOODLES, COCKERPOO, WESTIEPOO, OF THEM ALL i LIKE THE LABRADOODLES, NOT FOR EVERYONE AS NEED FIRM HANDLING. THE OTHERS NO THANKS.

I agree Crespin :-)
I already feel in the minority. I struggle to meet other people with poodles but people with cocker poos labradoodles etc are ten a penny

I agree I own 2 toy poodles myself but very rarely do I meet other poodles when we are out walking I think the most common breed around my area are westies. I am not sure that mixing poodles with lots of other breeds is such a good idea as I wonder whether it will create more problems health wise. I think possibly the reason poodles are not so popular is because a lot of people think they are a breed a lot of men would not like to be seen with because of the way they look.I may of course be wrong but I have heard the phrase puffy poodle many times which is a great shame as they make very loving pets and are also very intelligent.

Would a Schnauzer x Cocker be a Schnocker? :-D

A ridiculous way to make a crossbreed sound like designer breed and the sad thing is so many people fall for it. I have no objection to the occasional 'accidental' cross being sold, one of the best dogs we ever owned was a mongrel, but not at these inflated prices.

Just listening to the Crufts FM program where they had a Spanish gentleman on with Spanish Water Dogs.  the presenter asked how they could be described, and said " well they look like a doodle".  How sad that people are more likely to have an idea what a crossbreed may look like than a breed.

>Would a Schnauzer x Cocker be a Schnocker?

More like a Shocker!

PMSL @ JG  nice one!

I dont like all these poodle crosses as poodles themselves are magnificant enough! lol and I have never to this day met a friendly Labradoodle, dont know if its the ones in my area or not, but they are never friendly and always over boisterous or dominating behaviour.

one of the best dogs we ever owned was a mongrel, but not at these inflated prices.

Think you've hit the nail on the head there. Nowadays these mongrels are being sold at ridiculous prices all because they have a fancy name. Mongrel or crossbreed doesnt sound as fashionable does it?! :-)

I also agree, why cross these dogs when they are all wonderful in their own right and dont create a better dog by cross breeding.

Unfortunately in todays climate "designer brands" are often the most sought after be it fashion, household, cars, etc so it was always a possible "big earner" in the dog game :(

It doesn't help when something crossed with something else is particularly "cute" either - and being realistic, often they are, even if only a limited number from each litter.

All we can hope to do individually is continue to educate the public at every opportunity and hope that the powers that be do significantly more to help too but there will always be a mind set that "different" and "designer" equals status etc - fools and their money as they say.....

Totally agree Teri. Unfortunately i think these breeds will become more and more popular. Another problem with modern society is everyone is trying to keep up with the Jones' and doesnt want anyone having something they havent got. so before you know it everyone will be ownging these dogs.

The cuteness though only seems to last in the pups, as the adults become More and more unalike.

lets face it puppies are all born fairly similar and pups in many breeds look alike, with differences only becoming really apparent after the first month to the non specialist.

surely there is nothing more designer than a real breed, the so called designer dogs are really the knock offs.

Puppies are a bit like babies-they all look the same. Its only when they grow older that their distinguishing features come out.

surely there is nothing more designer than a real breed, the so called designer dogs are really the knock offs.
...so true - just wish others saw it like that :-)

>surely there is nothing more designer than a real breed

realistically nowadays that counts for nowt IMO.  My OHs colleague recently bought a cross between a poodle and a bichon from one of the top toy kennels in the country - he bought it because a relative had bought TWO, a couple of days earlier, from the same litter.  They were told it was an accident - at £450 each (discount for "bulk purchase" ) yet two months later they have a friend who has just BOOKED one from the next imminent litter!

Whether we like it or not it is a fact that some people believe they are buying something special, unique and virtually tailor made - what careful custodians of these exploited breeds think is water under the bridge!

>surely there is nothing more designer than a real breed, the so called designer dogs are really the knock offs.

ROLFL :-D :-D

This is what I don't really 'get',   Joe Public loves his NIKE, ADIDAS, SWATCH (help me out here guys, can't remember any more NAMES ) etc.   so is well aware of brand and 'designer' names (unlike me ;) ) yet when it comes to dogs it's the knock-offs that are popular and the BRAND NAMES (breeds) are ignored!!  yet we have the equivalent of  Prada, Calvin Klein, Dolce and Gabana, Jasper Conran and even the Vivan Westwood (if you like something really wierd ) etc. originals and are completely ignored by Joe Public 

If you cross a poodle with a yorkie, do you get a porkie or a yoodle ?

LOL

Dill, you know your 'posh' brands though.....:) :)

I have just seen a cross in the advert " new designer breed"

Never ends

I saw a puggle(i think thats what they're called) the other day,and i hate to admit it but i fell in love......with this particular one.He looked just like a brussels griffon,but probably more expensive!
Why i stated "this particular one" was because i have met a few other puggles and they have been quite fugly looking.No two of these designer breeds seem to look exactly alike,new owners are just getting a lucky dip in terms of how their pup will turn out when fully grown.

I saw some years ago someone trying to get a new breed going by crossing Min pins with pugs and the results looked like a min Rott in the one picture I saw (I think they called them Carlin Pincher) but to be honest a smooth black and tan smooth Griffon would be about the same look and you would know what it would turn out like.

As I have often said before to develop a new breed with a healthy gene pool firs the original stock to be crossbred has to be of impeccable health and temperament,a nd then lot sand lots have to be bred (and found homes for) that are not going to have the desired characteristics of the new breed.  there will b e just a few that have the desired traits and these then need to be bred together and in the next generations lots more that don't anywhere near meet the requirements will be produced.

With current canine overpopulation, saving and maintaining the breed we have can be justified, but producing new ones with all the wastage that would entail cannot be considered so.

Of course in a  well bred pedigree litter there will only be a couple of outstanding pups, but all the rest will at least be typical of their breed, where in these attempts at new breeds they won't for generations, and to get enough founders for the breed (the ones that have the desired traits not their parents and siblings), and awful lot of breeding would have to be done.

Ask any one of these crossbred pups breeders what standard are they breeding to and you will probably get a blank stare.  Before they even start they should have a standard in mind of what they are trying to achieve (other than saleable pups), cuteness doesn't cut it as there are cute dogs aplenty with no homes.

Yes I now there are some successful crosses, usually in the hunting field.  Crosses of gundogs, or crosses of sighthounds with terriers or other working breeds have a distinct purpose and the traits are usually compatible.  Breeding together dogs of very different drives and nature will not give you anything predictable.

Take the Pug and Beagle.  One is a lap dog, with a short face and heavy body, no canine athlete.  the other is a hound with strong hunting instinct.   So who would b e looking to buy such a dog?  Someone who wants a country companion with a hunting bent? or someone looking for a lap dog?  If the latter how are they going to cope with a pup who wants to chase Rabbits and disappears into the next country on walks, and then finds it's exertions too much for it's Short face?

Just listening to the Crufts FM program where they had a Spanish gentleman on with Spanish Water Dogs.  the presenter asked how they could be described, and said " well they look like a doodle".  How sad that people are more likely to have an idea what a crossbreed may look like than a breed.

Wonder who that was?  But unfortunately, yep people will recognise you Poodle crosses and what people want them to look like than they would many of our water breeds.

I know I was stopped a few times for people asking where the Labradoodles were, when I told them that they weren't a breed and that they won't be there unless they are doing agility or one of the other sports they were rather shocked as people on the TV and radio say they are a breed!

Have you all heard of Cavadoodles cavaliers x poodles saw them on another site,

Thats some mix, I can't begin to imagine what they look like. :-)

I saw a Siberian huskyXBichon yesterday. I overheard the owner telling another dog walker,i really,really wanted to get involved in the conversation..but kept walking

The dog did look familiarish,possibly  like a breed I've seen before,but cant remember which one.It did however NOT resemble either a sibe or a bichon!

> surely there is nothing more designer than a real breed, the so called designer dogs are really the knock offs.

i quite agree, from a fashion point of view i think these doodly oodly pooey things are like the kind of louis vitton i kept getting offered by guys in china town in NY, where as a lovely well bred bullmastiff for me is a sculpted pair of manolos, a lovely poodle a vera wang, a show quality elkhound an armani suit or a lovely bishon a vivian westwood lol :)

i really cannot understand why folk go for these, yes some are cute but i defy anyone to look at most puppies and think they are not cute. but they are bought as status symbols that denote no status... surely its more showey offy (not suggesting this is how i think but tis an example) if i met a doodly thing out and its owner said "oh look at my lovely doodle poop, it cost me £800 you know" (incert smugness) and i replied "really? well look at my gorgeous bullmastiff, born of champion lines you know, i watched his brother showing at Crufts this year, look at his wonderful dept of chest..." its far cooler :P

time , effort, planning and hard hard work go into producing pedigree, quality dogs- its like thinking a print from the shop ART is better than an orignal Monet or Piccaso!

>its like thinking a print from the shop ART is better than an orignal Monet or Piccaso!

So true :)

But I have to differ with you LOL  When I think Vivien Westwood, I see a Chinese Crested or a Shar Pei :-D :-D    or maybe a Bedlington Terrier

lol, and a doodly thing is chav burberry ;)