I would like opinions on this dog food - I am not saying what it is as I feel that sometimes people prejudge before reading ingredients - so honest opinions please:

Ingredients
Lamb Meal, Ground Rice, Ground Spelt, Ground Barley, Poultry Fat, Dried Egg, Rice Bran, Tomato Pomace, Lamb Digest, Fish Meal, Dried Beet Pulp, Yeast, Lecithin, Dried Whole Peas, Dried Celery, l-Lysine, Fish Oil, Dried Whole Carrots, Sodium Hexametaphosphate, Whole Ground Flax Seed, Potassium Chloride, Dried Apples, dl-Methionine, Choline Chloride, Dried Cranberries, Dried Blueberries, Glucosamine Hydrochloride, Chicory Powder, Fructooligosaccharides, Dried Marigold Petals, Mannanoligosaccharides, l-Carnitine, Chondroitin Sulphate, Zinc Sulphate, Zinc Proteinate, Vitamin E Supplement, Ferrous Sulphate, Ascorbic Acid (source of vitamin C), Manganese Sulphate, Inositol, Niacin Supplement, Iron Proteinate, Manganese Proteinate, Zinc Oxide, Biotin, Thiamine Mononitrate (source of vitamin B1), Copper Sulphate, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride (source of vitamin B6), Copper Proteinate, Vitamin A Supplement, Riboflavin Supplement (source of vitamin B2), Calcium Pantothenate, Calcium Iodate (source of iodine), Manganous Oxide, Vitamin B12 Supplement, Sodium Selenite, Vitamin D3 Supplement, Menadione Dimethylpyrimidinol Bisulfite (source of vitamin K activity), Folic Acid.

Typical Analysis
Crude Protein 24.0%
Crude Fat 14.5%
Crude Fiber 2.5%
Moisture 9.0%
Ash 8.0%
Calcium 1.50%
Phosphorous 1.20%
Potassium 0.55%
Sodium 0.35%
Magnesium 0.12%

Vitamins
Vitamin A 16500 IU/kg
Vitamin D3 1100 IU/kg
Vitamin E 120 mg/kg
Vitamin K3 1.5 mg/kg
Vitamin C 18 mg/kg
Thiamine B1 14 mg/kg
Riboflavin B2 22 mg/kg
Pyridoxine B6 8 mg/kg
Vitamin B12 180 mcg/kg
Biotin 450 mcg/kg
Chloride 2200 mg/kg
Folic Acid 1.8 mg/kg
Niacin 55 mg/kg
Pantothenic Acid 32 mg/kg

Trace Minerals
Zinc 175 mg/kg
Copper (as copper sulphate) 8 mg/kg
Copper (as copper chelate of amino acids hydrate) 4 mg/kg
Manganese 55 mg/kg
Iron 300 mg/kg
Iodine 1.6 mg/kg
Selenium 0.20 mg/kg

Other / Metabolizable Energy
Glucosamine / Chondroitin Sulphate 715 mg/kg
Fructooligosaccharides 450 mg/kg
Omega 6 Fatty Acids 5.1%
Omega 3 Fatty Acids 0.85%
Omega 6:3 Fatty Acid Ratio 6.0:1
Metabolizable Energy (kcal/kg): 3776

With Antioxidants (extracts of tocopherols of natural origin, propyl gallate from plant extract)

I'd want to know how much lamb meal there was, woudl be waning over 25%

There are an awful lot of grains in it.

Looks not too bad.  Would prefer lamb meat meal, but at least meat is the first ingredient.  Looks like it's preserved naturally too instead of using that awful BHA,  BHT and Ethoxiquin (sp).

Sarah.

Too many grains,not enough meat IMO.
However it looks better than half of the crud available,at least it has an actual named meat source,no by-products,colours etc etc. You could do a lot worse,but also better.

Just as an aside my dogs wont eat dry foods packed with cereals/grains.For them it has to be meat based,which makes sense considering they are carnivore's ;)

>Belgian Bonkers-Would prefer lamb meat meal

Is there a difference between Lamb meal and Lamb meat meal

Lamb meat meal is just as it says, just the meat.  Lamb meal is all of the lamb, including bones etc.

I have major problems with my WSD and have tried him on many foods over the years (and not just for one small bags worth but for normally about 3 months), most things go through him and some food he is ok on but poos still not firm but very soft.  I am trying to find something for him to settle on permanantly.  He is very lean as a result and when we go through a really bad stage it looks like I dont feed him at all. I like the idea of the probiotics in this which I am sure will assist. 

So far we have tried Burns (various flavours), JWB (various flavours), CSJ, Arden Grange. 

All my freinds who have GSD's with dicky digestion have foudn Arden Grange Lamb and rice suits theri dogs, not surprisingly as the foods makers have GSD. https://www.ardengrange.com/index.asp

What make of food is this?  You can PM me if you don't want to post it on the forum.  I'm just curious!

Sarah.

I used to use AG but found it more and more difficult to source after they decided they would no longer deliver to my area!

He is no good on Arden Grange - tried both of the flavours.

This is Genesis lamb and rice. 

genesis is a brill feed for Collies, it is the only food to keep weight on Flynn, though the Adult dog was more effective than the L&R (the Adult dog is Chicken instead of lamb), you dont have to feed much which is good! look on my Photobucket & you can see the good nick Flynn & Mav are in.

It doesn't seem too bad, although it does have alot of grain. They seem to have made an effort to include some fruit and veg.
Like ktee says, its better than alot of foods on the market.

Flaxseed/linseed gives some dogs the squits (gives my colitis prone dog the major squits) and it seems to be in a heck of a lot of foods, particularly kibbles, and even moreso the more "natural" ones. I do think it's known for its laxative effects, and it's not recommended in people with IBS, IBD, colitis, etc as it's high in Omega 6 oils, which are inflammatory. Might be worth avoiding.

Have you tried a wet food such as Naturediet?

Hi Michelle

I know your dogs already from BWC.  Didnt know you fed Genesis.  But if your dogs are anything to go by thats a very good recommendation.

Have ordered a sack of the lamb & rice (we seem to have slightly better results with lamb based foods) which will hopefiully be here tomorrow so will see how he does on it.

Yes I have tried wet food as they have this in their kongs in the morning as their breakfast.  I dont really want to be feeding wet completely to be honest and when we have tried to give it go feeding completely it gives him the squits again.

Both me & Claire with indy/Paddy feed it!

I realise who you are now!

>Lamb meat meal is just as it says, just the meat.  Lamb meal is all of the lamb, including bones etc.

Belgian Bonkers where did you get this info from?
If it was just meat it would state Lamb meat or just lamb,the fact that it says meal makes it a meal.I think it's just labeling lingo.I'm pretty sure lamb meat meal and lamb meal are exactly the same thing.....

cool, hoping it will be here tomorrow so I can introduce it slowly after taking him off just plain rice which is the only thing that he has been able to stomach this week.

Here;s hoping.

No it would state "lamb MEAT meal".  I'm not getting into a discussion about ingredients.  I was stating what I would prefer for MY dogs.

>No it would state "lamb MEAT meal".

Sorry, that is just plain wrong information..

http://www.dogfoodproject.com/index.php?page=labelinfo101

please guys dont argue over definitions about wording, please just agree to disagree.

That's what I was trying to avoid!  I'm now making good use of my ignore button.

Sarah.

Sorry dvnbiker this will my last post on the thread....

BUT

>I'm now making good use of my ignore button.

You have got to be joking! If a difference in opinions/facts warrants a press on the ignore button then you'll soon be ignoring alot of people.....

Sorry Ktee,
Was a bit harsh.  Have been having serious problems with one of my gang and don't need arguments just now.
Hope you can accept apology!

Sarah.

imo there are far too many ingredients in there

these are the ingredients of my puppy food

ingredients
fresh chicken 18%, chicken meal 18%, whole grain rice, chicken fat*, beet pulp, egg powder, whole grain maize, dried brewers yeast, fish meal*, linseed, fish oil*, minerals, vitamins, nucleotides, prebiotic FOS, prebiotic MOS, cranberry extract, chondroitin sulphate, glucosamine sulphate, MSM, yucca extract. * preserved with mixed tocopherols and rosemary extract

typical analysis protein 29%, oil 18%, fibre 3%, ash 6%, moisture8%, omega6 4.1%, omega3 0.7%, vitamin A 20000 IU/kg, vitamin D3 1350 IU/kg, vitamin E 135 IU/kg, calcium 1.3%, phosphorous P 0.85%, copper 22mg/kg (as cupric sulphate)

my pup is doing extremely well on this food

>Sorry Ktee,Was a bit harsh.  Have been having serious problems with one of my gang and don't need arguments just now.Hope you can accept apology!

Awww Sarah,no probs :) No need to apologise,i was just taken a little aback by your comment is all. The last thing i wanted to do was argue,i hate arguments! I apologise for upsetting you,and i hope you get your dogs problems sorted soon.

kate
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Well I ordered a sack of this food and JC has been gradually transferred across over a week and then for the last four days has been fed completely on it - wow what a difference hard poo at last!  Lets just hope it continues.

Hayley
what do you feed please
Nikki