I have a quick question about my Staffordshire Bull terrier. I don't have a clue whether I have been duped or not.

I got told that my dog was a pedigree when I first bought him. Now I didn't get any papers with him as the previous owner 'lost' them. I have no way of getting in touch with Zeus' previous owners as they have recently moved.

I have telephoned the local KC and they didn't really have any advice.

I was wondering if anyone at all has any information at all about whether I can try and find out if Zeus is a pedigree or not.

I would really appreciate any kind of information as I would really like to know if the dog that I have is a pedigree or not.

I feel really stupid asking but this is my last hope at trying to find out any information.

thank you in advance.

Does he have an identification chip ?  I think that this could maybe be a way to check things out as the chip reference number should be able to trace his pedigree.

no he didn't have a chip. I have just had him chipped about 3 weeks ago.

I have no other means of trying to get in touch with his previous owner all I know about him is his first name and the area where he lived. (I have a memory like a sieve)

Chipping and pedigree have no relevance at all, as when you chip a dog it is simply annotated with a pet name unless you specify it is to be registered with it's registered name.

The chip will be registered to an owner, if the breeder had chipped him, or someone else other than the last owner. But I see he's not been chipped until now! I would say, just enjoy your dog, papers or not :)

Did you buy him from a third party, not the original breeders? If that's the case then I doubt there is anything you can do I'm afraid. Unless you were keen to show him then not having his papers doesn't really matter.

Has your vet scanned to see if he has a microchip? If he has there is a chance they ahve the breeders details and could pass on a note to them.

The only other thought I have is that with your breed in particular I would want to be sure that he was a full staffie and not a cross, in case someone ever acused you of having a pit bull terrier type which are of course illegal. However if he looks like this you'll probably be ok.

Hindsight is a wonderful thing, what you should have done is contacted the breed clubs and asked about responsible breeders as there are several health issues in your breed too...however we've all at one time or another bought or rescued an older dog that we know nothing about. I'm sure you'll love him just the same :)

This is what I meant about the microchip too tigger.

Were you given any paperwork at all?  If not where you told his registered name and date of birth?  To be honest without a name, and even then a name with a known kennel name, you have no way of knowing if he was Kennel club registered, purebred but with no papers, or simply a cross.  To be honest getting him that way you know no more than a rescue centre would, and I would consider him a rescue dog..

it was my partner that went and bought him. I stayed at home with the kids. All I know is he came home with no paperwork at all BUT the guy said he 'lost' it so it is more than likey that we have been duped. Regardless of that he is a lovely little dog and is still only 13 months old.

We did get told his registered name and DOB but like I said I have a memory like a sieve and I lost the piece of paper I had written it on.

This is a picture of Zeus.<a href="http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b304/piercedmissy/stuff041.jpg"> here</a>

Ok, well the good news is you know his D.O.B and his registered name.

If it really is a KC name then you have all the tools you need with a lot of patience to trace the breeder and clarify it is a KC reg dog.

What you need to do is call the KC and ask them to send you the BRS (Breed Record Supplement) for around that date.  This lists every single registered litter for that period. Unfortuantley for you, it is in breeder's name order, but in breed order too.

So you would need to go to your breed, and very slowley scroll down until you find the registered name that will then give you the breeders name.

Unfortunately this will not help you to get the papers as they need to be transfered from the last owner, but you will know your dog is an official KC reg dog.

Perhaps, you could ask the KC to then contact the breeder on your behalf, the breeder could talk to the KC once identifying the dog with regards to getting you a transfer of ownership, a breeder will have much more swing than you, but I think it is unlikely without the previous owners signature.

We did get told his registered name and DOB but like I said I have a memory like a sieve and I lost the piece of paper I had written it on.

Shes lost the paper it was on Carrington. So, unless she can tip the house upside down, and the car the dog came in, and look anywhere else she can think of there is no info.

Thanks calmstorm,

Must stop speed reading and digest better.:rolleyes:

Hi,

Can I just ask at what age you got this dog?  Did you have him from a pup?

As he is only 13 months now and the previous owner/breeder has had time to move home I'm guessing you must have had him for a while, which brings me to the question of why are you now worried about whether he is a pedigree?  Is it because you are thinking of studding him? It can't be for show purposes as you would already have enquired and not purchased a dog without papers, he was not even chosen by yourself and you don't know about the parentage.

You say he is good natured, so it can not be for a reason of worrying behaviour problems, he also looks a very healthy dog from his photo, I'm just puzzled as to why now you are worrying. If he is just a pet, it is too late, so as already said just enjoy him and the next time you should ever buy a dog go through the correct channels of looking for a good breeder and getting all paperwork beforehand and more importantly checking that the Dam and Sire are healthy specimens with great temperaments. :-)

As Carrington says, you should be able to find him in the BRS with his registered name and DOB. If you want to transfer ownership I don't know how easy that would be without the previous owner's signature, you would have to ask the KC. [url=]www.thekennelclub.org.uk[/url] is the KC web site, I think they have an online shop with contact details if you want to order a BRS.

Did you buy him from the breeder? Do you have any idea what the breeders name is? The only way you are going to be able to see if he is Kc reg is to know the breeder, or the name of the dam and your dogs dob, or his Kc reg number and name. His pedigree really means very little in breeding/show/Kc terms unless he is Kc reg. How about trying to write to the people you bought him from, at the old address, as they may have their mail forwarded. As one poster said, if he is chipped you may be able to trace him that way. failing that, do a voters check on the people you bought him from, see if you can locate them that way. being 'pedigree' really means little without the Kc doc, did the advert say he was kc registered?

As to being 'duped' maybe you have, but really anyone buying a dog 'with papers' should never hand over the money until they have seen and have the papers. Trading standards may become involved if he was Kc reg, as in advertised as such, so maybe a call to them for advice may be an idea, they may if there is a case to answer be able to trace the people who sold him to you, but to be honest thats a bit of a long shot.

edited to say.....you lot type faster than me :D

when you say you know his registered name, this might point to a known affix (or may not as the case may be?)
May I ask what it is?

Hello.

There is one avenue you could go down, which may be a little costly (I don't know how much) and that is to get him DNA tested. That should tell you all you need to know I think.

It will not tell you a thing unless you ahve dna of parents to compare to, it will give you a dna profile for him as an individual but that tells you nothing on it's own.