A friend of mine has just lost all their records of judging & stewarding for the last 30 years in a house fire.He wrote to the KC asking for help as he needs his details to go on a new judging list , the KC has told him that they do not have any records and that he has to apply to all the clubs that he has judged for, so the ones that he can remember he has contacted and has been told by all of them that they do not keep records for more that two years, he phoned the KC again and they have said no no uncertain terms that their is nothing they can do as nothing is on the computars and it would take to much man power to go through all the old records in the basement, and that goes for all the KC seminars aswell, he spoke to someone higher up the chain as was told the same thing, their answer was he should have kept more than one copy that was not in his house.
What is the point of doing all the seminars and stewarding and judging if the KC and the show societies do not keep records of your acheivments , what are you supposed to fall back on if your records do get distroyed?
Has anyone else has this problem?

Peanuts

Oh no thats awful, it makes me wonder if you could then just fabricate a complete judging history. If nobody has records, or can check them, then whats to stop people saying they've judged 300 shelties when in fact they've judged 20? Which then leads on to why do clubs have set criteria, if there is no way of proving that you've met it?

Well thats one of things that he said to the KC about making it up and they said in theory yes as they don't check anyway, how scarey is that!
I think that we all know people who judge and wonder how did they get up the list so quick, now i know !!
I attended a conformation & movement seminar the other week and have the certificate , but i did ask the KC trainer at the time and she said herself that she does not keep a record she just signs the forms.
Apart from bettering yourself with knowledge whats the point , if the governing body does not have a record of your acheivments, if you lose them you have to start all over again

Peanuts

The breed clubs should have records of who attended their seminars, shouldn't they? I'll ask my friend when I can, but as she works shifts I am not sure when I'll get an answer. I know that when my breed club did the conformation seminar we had to sign a piece of paper so that they knew who was there. I hope they kept a copy of it ;)

Edited to add: my ex has a fire proof box that he keeps all legal and important documents in. Maybe we should all get one?

My friend has a "fire proof" box. He looked around all over the place but they all seemed to say that they can only withstand 30 minutes, and then they're a goner! Not exactly my idea of fire proof. Not sure if you can actually get ones that will last longer than that. Guess it depends on how close you live to a fire station and how long it is before someone alerts them as to whether 30 minutes would be long enough.

Also 'fireproof' doesn't necessarily mean 'heat-proof'. The box can still be intact but the contents effectively destroyed ...

Well several judges were banned for 10 years for making mistakes on the numbers of dogs they had judged, so the details are there if someone at the KC wants to check them.

Thats probaly because somebody paid for a complaint, the only record that they have to hand is for CC judges at champ shows , not open shows.All open shows are put in the basement never to be seen again.

Peanuts

I am in the same position although mine was through losing a whole lot of paperwork when moving house. 

I have over 30 years judging experience in my breed but because i have not judged for a couple of years i cannot get hold of any records to prove it. 

The only thing the kennel club could help with was that i could judge 5 classes of my breed and suggested that i just start again with my CV.

It is so sad that people bother to do all this and that the governing body will not help.
Good luck Fluffydog in trying to sort it out, just so weird how no-one has records.

Peanuts

I know the dog press hold catalogues, dont know for how long. Did the person concerned say they would go through the records themselves or ask that a member of staff did so. I dont think you can expect the KC to use staff time on something like this but would have thought that they should be more helpful if the person concerned wanted to go look, ditto dog press.

He offered to go into the basement and look himself but was told that only KC staff are allowed in there, he also offered to pay for the service but they are not interested.

Peanuts

Maybe try the dog press route or speak to someone more senior at KC. If that fails he could always put a cv together from memory but make clear it may not be accurate??

Could he not ring the secretary of a breed club where he's on the judges list?  If it's one he's gone on in the last three or four years they'll still have his CV (or SHOULD still have it).  He could explain the situation and maybe they could photocopy it for him and send it back?

Debs

It's not as simple as that i'm afraid, yes he can remember the recent judging appointments , but the ones from 20 years ago much harder , he can't  remember every judging appointment how many dogs were there, every society, who was abesent , and every breed that he judged
As you see it is very difficult, as you can see from my other post he did speak to someone higher , and you can see from fluffydogs post they have the same problem and also have been told to start again.
He will keep trying.

Peanuts

I think you misunderstood.  If he has recently gone onto a breed club's judging list they will still have his full CV which he will have submitted to them.  (talking judges lists here not judging appointments).  They could send him back a copy of it.

Debs

I know what you mean but i think that you may have mis read the post , he needs his CV to go onto a new judging list
Peanuts

OK let me explain further as I'm sure this will work.  When you apply to a breed club to go onto a judges list you send them your CV (bare with me, as you already know this I'm sure :d ).  If your friend has gone onto any breed club judges lists, regardless of breed, in the last 5 years, the secretary of that club should still have his CV that he sent them. 

So, say for example your friend has Dachshunds and is already on the Dachshund lists.  If he wanted to judge Pharaohs and had applied to the Pharaoh Hound Club to go on their judges list in the last 5 years then the Secretary of the PHC should still have the copy of his CV that he sent them.  He could then contact the Pharaoh Hound Club and ask them for a copy of his own CV. 

If he's been judging for a while and is on a few breed club lists then all he has to do is contact those clubs, explain the situation and ask for a copy of his CV.  The lists are updated yearly and Clubs normally send a yearly letter asking for an updated CV to everyone on their B and C lists so any judges list that he's on (B and C lists) would have a copy of his CV that's only a year old.

It's worth a try surely :)

Of course, if he's not already on any judges lists then the above doesn't apply :d

Debs

i understand what you are saying , but the last judging list that he went on was 15 years ago so they will not have the last 15 years worth.

Peanuts

Has he not updated his judging experience with that club in the last 15 years, surely he will have done enough to move up a list?

some breed clubs don't bother keeping the cv's they've been sent.  I keep all my stuff on my pc on a spreadsheet after having lost some paperwork in one of my many moves but that would all disappear in a fire too
Surprises me that the KC don't check, what do they do when they approve you for CC's then for goodness sake?

The form for CCs (including your judging CV) is sent to the Breed Clubs for evaluation.  If you don't get passed by the breed club you don't normally get passed by the KC - alhough there are some exceptions.

Debs

But presumably if you get past the breed club then the KC will accept you?  Better start being nice to committee members in 2008 then hee hee!!!