I don't know why I still get wound up about it but I do...
Still waiting for 4 write ups for Harris: he won his last 3 Junior classes and BOB at open shows. (In March.)
He is not an easy dog to show and I had a terrible time getting him to stand still for the judge, anyway was really chuffed we had finally made some headway. (He also got a Group 4.) BUT NO WRITE UPS!!
He did also win an AVNSC class...the judge gave a GLOWING report on the dog who was placed 2nd behind him, obviously a mistake. I tried to contact the judge but had no reply, the DW did do a correction but I still had no idea of what that judge thought of my dog.
I think it is so inconsiderate and thought societies were clamping down on it. Certainly in the judging contracts I have had to sign, it states that a report must be sent to the dog press.
I do only get DW and suppose it could have been in OD but think it unlikely. Does anyone subscribe? Is there a way of checking online?

OD has reports online but only for people who subscribe to the website. I could check for you if you gave me the details for the shows etc. I started getting both dog papers as I noticed quite often reports would only be in one but not the other.

I have noticed before if I borrowed my friends OD that they appear much sooner in there than DW. Will PM you the shows, many thanks.

I'm still waiting for crits from last October when Curtis won a RCC at Driffield and then BOB out of a big entry for LM's (21!) at a Scottish open show!

I'm still waiting for Oscars write up when he got 1st at UK toy - his first show. Its soooo annoying isn't it? I gave up on several from Geordi's short career... :rolleyes:

My girl didn't get a write-up from Blackpool but every other dog did so I e-mailed the judge.  He e-mailed me back within the hour and sent a lovely e-mail and critique about her, I was so thrilled :d

Unfortunately being in the import register not getting many critiques is a fact of life.

They often seem to go into OD earlier - although think some of the big all-rounders give them to DW well in advance.

Out of interest, have those who are waiting for really late critiques reported it to the KC? Not being militant and saying you should be banging down their doors, but they do seem to be making positive noises about addressing this issue IF they're told about it.

M.

Well it doesn't seem militant to be honest - the judging contracts that I have signed have all stated that a report must be submitted to the dog press, you are actually making a promise to do this in accepting the appointment surely. Our breed note writer for the DW has said she will name and shame non critique writers, maybe then they won't get an entry if people know they won't get a write up!

A few of us in my breed have written to the KC about the lack of Crufts critique. According to the KC Gazette some judges have already been fined, and there is the threat that awarding CC's will be withdrawn from judges who continue to infringe the rule...so send your letters to the KC and may be these judges will get the message. If you dont write to the kC, nothing can be done. 

Also it isn't just CC giving shows where a write up is compulsory, and Championship show appointment and the judge has to submit a critique.

But as usual the KC doesn't actually take any notice of it's own recommendations!

We have two judges who gave cc's last year (one for the first time) and neither provided a write up.  Complaints were made to the KC by one fo the exhibitors and one of the write ups was then sent directly to the exhibitor by the judge (which interestingly contained a critique of a bitch who wasn't actually present on the day!).  The other one hasn't sent a write up at all.

Neither of the judges have been fined, but both have appointments to give CC's in the breed next year.

And they wonder why entries are falling!

But if we dont write to the KC, they have the excuse not to do anything. What we can do is not enter under these judges, but of course they will always have an entry because some exhibitors think that it will be an easy win due to a smaller entry. The breed clubs could also play a part by removing these judges from their list, and writing to them telling them why.

LOL - and you don't enter, so they take your cc's away, or give you more single cc's without waiting to have the 2 year consultation period they promised when they first decided you were having them? :rolleyes:

i am not saying don't write to the KC - after all it's the only way you have even a fighting chance of getting your critique - but just saying that sometimes it makes no difference.

As for breed clubs removing them from the judging list is concerned, as far as I am aware, once on the A1 list (having given a set of tickets) the breed club can't stop any society appointing them and the KC don't consider the breed club's judging list when confirming appointments. 

Oooh perhaps I should - the same judge that I've been under twice has never submitted either
crit or it has never been published in the papers..not that I did that well but I would
have like to have known why they didn't like my dogs - LOL - only entered the 2nd time
at the second show as don't wish to lose the breed classes at local open shows.
But my poor friend who won BOB under the judge on consecutive weeks (they didn't realise, they always show at these shows)
hasn't got the crits to put in their scrap book either..
So that's 3 open shows that the judge hasn't submitted a crit for :rolleyes:

All the more reason to raise it BEFORE they're passed to award CCs.

M.

I believe they do award CC's but not in my breed I think :rolleyes:

You see I have this theory, especially at open shows, that a lot of the judges wouldn't know a good dog and therefore have no idea what to put into a critique. I have a 'friend' who does carry out some judging appointments and for as long as I have known her (approx 13 years) I have never seen one of her critiques being published. In fact, I have challenged her before now as to when her report is going in (I do not show under her) and she always replies with some excuse about her lateness and how she must send it in. I firmly believe that if you accept a judging appointment then you should always write and send your report up to both papers. Actually I think it would be best if you also had to send it on to the Secretary of the club that you accepted the appointment from.

>You see I have this theory, especially at open shows, that a lot of the judges wouldn't know a good dog and therefore have no idea what to put into a critique.

I have no doubt you're right, Alison. All the more reason to make them publish critiques LOL, so the rest of us don't waste our money!

M.

Well funny you should mention that but at a breed club limit show
the same dog that was up against mine (that had beaten my girl) was being shown,
I asked three breed specialists that do give CC's in my breed
their opinion re the dog against mine. I.E. should that dog beat mine?
All three catergorically stated no mine should always beat it...
They were surprised to learn that it had beaten mine too so I can't have
had my rosy tinted kennel biased glasses on :D

It makes me laugh that the KC takes time to find an assessor, pay for assessors expenses etc for them to assess a new CC judge - all that takes time and effort but as you all say, no time or effort put into enforcing their rules of critique writing!
As regards the posts of judges placing inferior dogs, I believe that there are far too many "sheep" judges ie. follow what the previous judge did, regardless of the merits of the dog. This practice was highlighted at SW Champ show last weekend. We had an all round judge (infact I cannot recall what he looks like although he has judged our breed before) Dogs were placed and infact won CC's and the reserve that were not big winners, dogs which always look fine, presented and shown well by their handlers but usually placed down the line which makes you wonder why. They are very good examples of their breed but because handler X has not used the judges dog (etc etc) then they would not have a look in. It was really refreshing!! I was not at this show so am not applauding this judge because he placed my dogs but I just wish there were a few more with the b*lls to put up the quality dogs!!

The KC rule about critiques only applies to Champ shows and breed club shows. The best way to deal with non appearance is to get the breed club to write to the KC and complain. Judges have been warned and some fined, so the rules are now being enforced.
The comment about KC and assessors isnt really fair or relevant, breed clubs appoint assessors, KC only do it if the breed club refuse, and they do not pay assessors.
As for open shows, again complain to your breed club - my club take people off our B list if they dont sent in critiques - which means that cant judge more than 3 classes and therefore will find it hard to progress.

"It makes me laugh that the KC takes time to find an assessor, pay for assessors expenses etc for them to assess a new CC judge - all that takes time and effort but as you all say, no time or effort put into enforcing their rules of critique writing!"

The trouble is, the KC DON'T find assessors (Breed Club secretaries do the work), and they DON'T pay them expenses. Again breed club secretaies have to beg societies for free passes/ car park passes, lunch etc. The KC only get involved with finding assessors IF the relevant/sponsoring Breed club cannot find an assessor (e.g. when there are very few/none in the area, those that are want to enter, and they won't travel too far at their own expense).
So, it's not hitting the KC in the pocket, not costing them anything!

lol Kay

Also championship show appointments at CC level are decided a long way in advance (several years even) and so a judge may have been approved for their next appointment at the time of the current one they didn't do a write up for.