im wondering what breed people think my dog might be, but cant seem to find anyway to upload photos
is there anyway i can do it or is there any breed experts i can send some pics too,

i was told the mum is a border collie and they thought the dad might be a poodle as a dog got in the garden and caught the mum, they had only ever seen a poodle going about (this doesnt mean it was him though or maybe it was but he wasnt a pure poodle)

i spoek to someone who as collie x poodles and she thinks the ears arent righton my dog and coat is a bit diff so be x poodle,

my dogs nearly 5 and this has had me guessing from i got her at 16 weeks old lol

thanks

You can link to youtube or photobucket but chances are no one will have a definite answer.

Do you have any photos of her saved on photo sites such as Flickr, Photobucket, Picasa etc?
If so, then you can add the links here :)

If all else fails you are welcome to send me a private message, and you can email some to me; I'll put them on my own photo site and add the links here.

I've seen one or two collie x poodles, sure others on here have too, so we'll have a guess for you :)

hi no i dont im hopless with computers and no sure how photobucket ect works, but il pm you some of her, thank you iv seen so many dogs of diff kinds that look like her and collie x poodles but that person has owned and trained them for years and thinks hes ear should be down more rather than semi pricked, but i suppose if shes not a f1 cross then thats maybe why, she was the only dog out of the litter that looked like her, the woman said the rest all looked like the mum they were black and white and had the border collie coat,

il pm you now i have a couple of pics of her at 16 weeks too which might help

thanks :)

> xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml">hank you iv seen so many dogs of diff kinds that look like her and collie x poodles but that person has owned and trained them for years and thinks hes ear should be down more rather than semi pricked, but i suppose if shes not a f1 cross then thats maybe why

crosses of any generation can show mixed characteristics, so a collie X poodle will not always look like another collie x poodle. the genes mash up in different ways in each dog so that from the same litter you can get two looking totally different. yours might just have dominant genes that control the ear conformation and muscle structure than hers. as you say, your girl didn't look like her litter mates, sometimes just works out that way with crosses.

the person on here that replied 1st has photos iv emeiled shes going to put them on tomoro, the other thing i wasnt sure about it the person i spoke to that has collie x poodles says that

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first cross border collie x poodles are always a solid colour, Both parents have to carry the white/ shading for the pups to have colouring. once again all first cross poodles will be solid colours having said this maybe the poodle they saw in the garden was a cross, then you would get the colours.

she was saying this as my dog is tri colour (well officially she is but she has about 6 diff colours if you count all the diff shades, black, white,tan, brown,grey, ginger lol)

but yeah like you said not every x will look like the same as others of the same kind,

you'll see what i mean about her when the pics go up, she has really brown bits behind her ears i should have took a pic of that too lol

There could have been more than one sire to the litter hence the differences

but not all poodles are solid coloured... there are the parti poodles so the sire could have been a parti poodle and the pups could then be two coloured..... you could try having the DNA test, but it's not particularly reliable....

I'm looking forward to the pics going up, I love playing 'guess the cross'. She sounds really pretty whatever she is!

she is beautiful whatever she is lol, everyone loves her cause shes just a big softy, shes a therapet too and visits care homes,

i didnt know there could be 2 sires to a little that might mean shes something completly different lol,

and yeah as the the poodles been a solid colour that didnt sound right to me either,

we can all play the guessing games when the pics go up for me lol

Theoretically every pup in a litter could have a different father.  In the old days when there were a lot of latchkey dogs, an in season bitch would have a whole gang of followers, and might be mated by any number of them.

How any one could claim a particular ear set, or coat type in a cross where the parents ears and coats vary is pretty silly.

It takes a long time for breed traits to breed true, with strong selection for them, when breeds are developed, and typical traits are so easily lost when breeding is indiscriminate, even within the same breed.  It's why Puppy Farmed and BYB pups bred by putting any two dogs of the same breed together often are far from typical.

Sorry for the delay - I've now uploaded the photos you sent. They can be seen here:
Sheba's Photos

She's a pretty girl!

thats great thank you for doing that, so what do people think is she a collie x poodle ?

I can see the collie in her and def some terrier in there as well. She's very pretty whatever she is.

I thought Terrier as well, as she appears to be wire-haired. Size-wise she looks about Collie size, am I right?

Collie and some sort of terrier in there fairly recently!

Poodle? Not that I can see.

i think shes a little smaller than a collie but i might be wrong shes around 18/19 inches at the withers, as for her hair its scruffy but its quite soft doesnt have a wire feel to it,

we alwas wondered if there could be terrier to but thats just because of the scruff lol

all we know for 100% is that the mum is a border collie

she is very sweet ! I was thinking terrier somewhere

> all we know for 100% is that the mum is a border collie

Poodles all have three coat genes - one for Long hair, one for Wire hair and one for Curly hair. It's because of these three - all needed to give the usual Poodle coat- that the Poodle crosses are so variable (as there is so much room for recombination of these in different ways).

If mum was a BC then assuming she was a long-coated BC  then a Poodle would have also passed on its Longcoat gene  - which accounts for your girl's coat length.
Curly coat is recessive, so that wouldn't match up with anything on the BC side.
Wire hair is dominant, so yes that could have been passed on from a Poodle to give your dog's 'scruff' look.

The only thing which isn't as clear is her colouring - she is the dark version of black and tan (sometimes called 'saddle tan') which is rarely found in BCs and even more rarely seen in Poodles. It is however a very common colouring in terrier breeds, so that with the wire hair does make me think terrier dad!

If you're interested in genetics, there's a good site here:
Dog Genetics
There is also a scientific paper from 2009 which details molecular (DNA) study of the three different coat genes (LH, WH and curly) but I don't have the link to hand.

Collie and terrier.  In other words a lurcher :) 
Apart from anything else it seems a darn sight more likely that a terrier was running stray and got into the garden than a poodle.  Never seen a wandering poodle in my life but seen many a terrier :)

iv always wondered about the colour too as i didnt know if there is ever any tri colour poodles or if there is a chance the dad was a cross with something but going by what everyone is saying there is prob a chance she does have terrier in her somwhere,

the woman i got her from said that it was one of her neighbours who had the mum, they had caught a poodle in the garden once (looked like a poodle but again may have been a x but still looked similar to a poodle) they had seen a dog sneaking in and out at night but said it was too dark to tell if it was the same dog or a different one, as the never really seen any dogs walking about alone during the day where they stayed so i dont even know if the dad was all one colour or not,

il have a look at that site too, some of the genetic stuff can be a bit confusing espec for me as iv got m.e so my concentration can be really bad,

she is reg with the vets and microchip as a collie x poodle will that really matter or am i better changing it to something else

i thought that stooge you hardly ever see any poodles never mind a stray, plus she is from a little village near inverness called beauly with only just over population of 1000 so not exactly a massive place to have rarer dog breeds like poodles,

i also didnt know what they ment by poodle as they are different sizes i just thought standard but theres a bigger chance of it been a smaller kind that may have been confused with a terrier,

she runs very very fast almost like a whippet or something, and jumps like a deer would, she reminds me of the deer running accross the medow in bambi if anyone knows what im on about lol (where they kind of jump off all 4 feet at the same time)

She sounds wonderful..........whatever she is :)

thank you shes great very lazy though until shes in the garden or out for a walk lol, just a pitty dna tests cost so much and arent too realiable, if they were cheaper i would have prob got one done anyway but for nearly a weeks money its a bit much until they make them better

> il have a look at that site too, some of the genetic stuff can be a bit confusing espec for me as iv got m.e so my concentration can be really bad,

That's OK- I mainly posted the link as other people reading this might like to have a look :)

> she is reg with the vets and microchip as a collie x poodle will that really matter or am i better changing it to something else

No reason to really, I'd only change it if she is insured, as Crossbreeds of some types often have lower premiums than other 'specified' crossbreeds. The only other reason to change would be [God forbid!] in case she ever went missing, but nowadays there's always a way to put photos on the various lost & found sites, or add to posters, so it's not a big deal.

Looks like you love her to bits :)

shes spoiled rotten and sleeping in my bed with me, my mum thinks she was a person in another life lol as she hugs you like a person with her arms right round you,
if she ever did go missing you really would need photos of her whatever she is lol as no one would know what they were looking for,
shes not insured as she is with the pdsa just now so they wont bother what kind she is anyway i think she may even just be down as a x breed on there computer its on her vaccination card that says collie x poodle,

i forgot to ask is it normal or can it be down to certain breeds, that her coat has changed, she was tri colour mainly all black but now over the past 6-8 months shes went grey at the sides where her black goes down to meet the tan on the legs, shes only 5 in july so its not like shes changing because shes old,

and are her ears more a collie or a terrier the way they fold over but go out the the sides, theyve always looked funny lol

> In other words a lurcher

A lurcher would have to have one parent a sight hound, so she is simply a collie cross.

My thoughts would be collie x schnauzer.

>plus she is from a little village near inverness called beauly with only just over population of 1000 so not exactly a massive place to have rarer dog breeds like poodles,

That certainly makes a collie x terrier even higher on the list; highly unlikely to be one of the more 'exotic' breeds if it comes from a rural area.

I'd say terrier x collie too. I have one at home just like her - strikingly similar!

My boy' s colour has lightened over time too, he was very black across his back when young

(I'm obviously drawn to these looks as my chap was chosen partly because he looked very like another scruffy terrier type we had when I was as a child)

id love to see a pic if you have one can even pm you my email later im.just going offline as im on train and loosing signal but can do it tonight when im home.

do you know what kind of terrier hes x with ?
:)

(im in the uk btw but im on mobile just now and its put a germany flag on my post no idea why lol)

Hi Aidan

I'm away at the moment so can't send much but here he is modelling some dog coats I'm selling on eBay!  Obviously he's a bit covered up but you can see parts of him here, and here.  I hope these links are ok.  Admin may decide to delete if it looks like an advert...

Our boy came as a rescue so we don't know about his history.  He was very much darker when he was younger and has a wire coat.  We've always suspected a touch of 'Border Terrorist' with a dollop of collie and a few others for variety - I think he's the full Heinz 57 but definitely a terrier type.  He probably shows more terrier traits in his behaviours but he's certainly tempered with something else :)

Another vote for collie x terrier, she looks a lot like my friend's dog who is that cross. :-)

> Collie and terrier. In other words a lurcher

No, in other words a cross breed or mongrel. Lurchers are specifically a long dog cross, i.e. greyhound, whippet etc with a terrier or working breed.

There are a few collie x poodles near me, and they look very similar to this dog. They all have the long wiry coat, not a curl in sight! I thought they were pyrenean sheepdogs at first, as one was merle.

> No, in other words a cross breed or mongrel. Lurchers are specifically a long dog cross, i.e. greyhound, whippet etc with a terrier or working breed.

Silly me :)

> you can see parts of him here and here

Turns out your dog IS a babe! :)

> Collie and terrier.  In other words a lurcher :-)

A lurcher is a sighthound cross, so you arent right calling her that.

Yes if you know the mum is BC then I would agree with a terrier of some sort being in the mix but no way do I see poodle!!

edited to say: see someone else has corrected you there :)

Those are very tiny photos and they won't enlarge for me but I think I see GSD in there.

> Turns out your dog IS a babe!

Thank you - we think so.  He, however, is less convinced when he's wearing a coat.  I suspect he knows he looks a bit daft and is grateful the coat won't be staying!!

I love that he puts up with it for his ebay modelling career :)

i dont know why they swont enarge for you im able to see them full size on lap top and on my mobile, german shepherd is the one thing i didnt think she had any of in her

saying that the reason i went to see her was because the photo that was on her rehoming add made her look like a x german shepherd puppy but she looked nothing like it once she was in front of me, the photo was blurry so i think thats why

i can def see what you mean about them looking similar there just a different colour, i think sheba might be a little more scruffy and long haired but its always hard to tell from photos

OK WHAT ABOUT .... COLLIE X AIREDALE ? cant find pics of alot of crosses but if you look at her face in puppy pics and look at pics of airdale puppies she looked similar to alot of them,

just a thought lol

> OK WHAT ABOUT .... COLLIE X AIREDALE ?

Airedales are the largest Terriers - much taller than a collie. But if it's the colouring you're going by then quite a lot of other terriers have that colour & pattern - Lakeland, Welsh, Border, even Yorkshire Terriers! It's a very common Terrier colour.

It was a mixture of the colour and the coat type there alot have the scruffy face but not to scruffy body as puppies that she had, I was thinking there big but thought she might have just had more the collie size, the same if sea x with a smaller breed then she will be more the mums size rather than the dad,

I suppose it will always be a guessing game espec when she looks like so many different kinds most seem to still have ears that fold right over too u like hers that stick out to the side like a furby toy lol,
Just frustrating in a way not known espec incase there was health problems relating to a certain breed

> I suppose it will always be a guessing game espec when she looks like so many different kinds most seem to still have ears that fold right over too u like hers that stick out to the side like a furby toy lol,

Border Collies vary a great deal - some have upright ears, others folded... same with the various Terrier breeds. BCs and terriers are traditional working dogs where a certain shape or colour is less important than the ability to work. Your girl whatever she is, has a great ability (as proved by her therapy work) and I'm actually a little envious, I have always wanted to do that kind of thing with my dogs, but even though they are very well trained, they wouldn't pass... It takes an X-factor thing I think :)

> Just frustrating in a way not known espec incase there was health problems relating to a certain breed

Well, that is true of any cross breed (including the 'designer' crosses that have not come from tested parents) or rescue dogs... It's always a worry. The main things I'd worry about would be epilepsy (from the BC side) but if she is already 5 years old it would usually have shown itself by now. The other issue is eye problems such as PRA [Progressive Retinal Atrophy] (also from BC) and cataracts, also a couple of other genetic eye disorders. Some can be tested for if you were really worried, but aren't treatable.

You are in the same boat as a lot of us who take on rescues, or crossbreeds with no known history... As long as you will willingly deal with any issue that may arise, and still love the dog and care for it, not have it PTS or send it into rescue if it goes blind or has other genetic issues... as some do....

I don't think you're that sort! :)

Oh no I would never do that she would just need extra help if she went blind , I know your not ment to change the lay out of your house ect as they get used to where they can go without banging into everything,

As for the therapet they get tested to make sure they won't bit or growl ect if people touch or poke them or even pull at them etc as sometimes old people in care homes can't see that we'll and can smack the dog in the head when trying to pet her,
They make sure the dogs stay calm and can take treats nicely and just basically behave,

Really any well behaved calm dog can do it. My massive german shepherd was like a bear but a gentle giant and she was a therapet until a 2 months before she had to be put to sleep (she went to the vet to get her teeth cleaned but they ex rayed her while under anesthetic as she was 10 and had been on medication for arthritis for about 6 months but it was alot worse than what we thought it was in her knees legs elbows and hips so they never brought her back round and put her to sleep (with my permission worst thing I'd ever had to do espec when she only went in to get her teeth cleaned and I expected to get her back a few hours later)
But both dogs loved it and always got excited and knew they were going to work (as I called it for them) as soon as I got there jacket and lead flash out the cupboard :)

It's worth looking Into they worst they can say is no of they assess your dog, I do it with a Scottish charity but there's a few different Ones in uk

def decided against a dna test heard too much bad things about them,  someone said they sent away there show winning pedigree german shepherd swab just to see what happens and it come back there dog was a jack russell x collie x yorkie lol

maybe not then lol

so we'll just say shes prob a collie x terrier of some kind rather than a collie x poodle like i was told orig since most votes on here were for x terrier, (alothough she does look like the odd few x poodles just not with the same ears lol)

thanks for all your replies, if anyone thinks they know what kind of terrier she is x with let me no though,
or if anyone has any pics of a collie x poodle/terrier cause thats the other option but cant find pics of any

Does it really matter, now I am useless at guessing the breeds in a mongrel but talking of lurcher there could be some deerhound in there but there could be almost anything. Just enjoy, the only time knowing the parentage is of any use is if you have a health problem or you want to breed and then you need to know which parent not just the breed because you need to know the ancestry further back than just the parents if it is to be of any use.