I fail to see how anyone can consider that the tattoo artist's piercings are in the slightest bit attractive. Why would anyone want to inflict that upon their body?

I think this article highlights wonderfully the fact that having a tattoo is something that should be thought about long and hard before one has it done and must also realise that once a tattoo is in place it, or the reult of removal, will remain on your body forever.

yeah i dont believe her myself as i read it she was looking in the mirror at it and only got upset when her family members see it and had a go , and im sorry i dont think for one minute she feel asleep i find that impossable it would have really hurt on the side of the nose their i had an op on mine due to a car crash and i needed plastic surgery on that part of my nose and even with a local it felt very Uncomfortable theirs no way you would fall asleep,

I can't see her winning her case.Aren't some people daft?

> I fail to see how anyone can consider that the tattoo artist's piercings are in the slightest bit attractive. Why would anyone want to inflict that upon their body?
>

Personal choice. What he does to his body doesnt hurt anyone else

>What he does to his body doesnt hurt anyone else

I imagine some children would be terrified - he looks like the stuff of nightmares.

> I imagine some children would be terrified

Maybe so, but it is a good way for children to learn not to judge a book by its cover and looks can be deceptive.

> he looks like the stuff of nightmares.

He's not that bad :-)

>but it is a good way for children to learn not to judge a book by its cover

Or confirm their worst fears.

>He's not that bad 

He is. He looks utterly vile and diabolical.

> He looks utterly vile and diabolical

You may not like how he looks but, unless you know him you have absolutely no grounds to make a sweeping statement labelling him vile and diabolical. How he chooses to decorate his body is no reflection on his personality and character

As I said, he looks utterly vile and diabolical. I've not said a word about his personality.

one two Freddy's coming for you!!!! lol

I think he's acted rather politely considering....He's upset that a customer isnt happy regardless of what was agreed before hand and offered to pay half of the removal treatment.

He is a Tattoo artist and there for hes going to use himself as a walking advertisment as you will, just like you would expect hairdressers to have presentable hair.

I would be dubious getting a tattoo of someone who didnt have any !!

I dont believe it either.
Karen :(

Thats your personal opinion for which you are entitled but i think it is a sad state of affairs when we label people based on what they look like.

In the circumstances he has acted incredibly well & shown what a respectable man he is.

Looking at him is no worse than seeing someone who has a facial disfigurment i.e a birthmark etc. Children will always look at something out of the ordinary and it think it is great if our future generations can learn not to discriminate.

>it is a sad state of affairs when we label people based on what they look like.

Only blind people don't judge by appearances. Everyone - and I mean everyone - else does; it's human nature.

>Looking at him is no worse than seeing someone who has a facial disfigurment i.e a birthmark etc

Very different, IMO. One is an unfortunate accident of nature, and nobody's fault. The other is a deliberate mutilation.

He's certainly behaving honourably by offering to pay half the cost of removal. Just a shame he didn't make sure that she was certain that's what she wanted. He's learned from it, by saying in future all clients will have to sign an agreement.

> He's learned from it, by saying in future all clients will have to sign an agreement. <IMG class=qButton title="Quote selected text" alt="Quote selected text" src="/images/mi_quote.gif">

Thats great! :-)

>> Looking at him is no worse than seeing someone who has a facial disfigurment i.e a birthmark etc
> Very different, IMO. One is an unfortunate accident of nature, and nobody's fault. The other is a deliberate mutilation.

So do you think people with birthmarks look vile and diabolical? Regardless of whether they choose to have it their or not it is something on their skin that is going to attract the attention of people, especially children

>So do you think people with birthmarks look vile and diabolical

Some do unfortantly look vile, the same as some tattoo's & peircings look.  Infact the same as some people's clothes...Justbecause they *look* doesn't, to me, say anything about their personality...

Then again someone could say my face looks vile if thats what they think.....

I'm absolutely shocked that anyone who has a facial disfigurement of any kind,but especially those who have no choice are being labelled as looking vile and diabolical.They just look different from the standard that's all.How awful that they are not just allowed to live their life without having those kind of words used against them.Vile and diabolical are the kind of words more suited to the torturers of baby Peter,not people who certainly don't deserve it.

It's only looks.  It's not the person who is labeld.  I know the most amazing people not everyone is perfect unfortantly.  Diabolical is a different word altogether and I would never use that to describe anyone.

Vile is just a word for disgusting.  Should I use "looks disgusting in my personal opinion" insted? :)

I don't see why you should be using any negative words at all.Of course you can think what you like,but there's no need to hurt and offend.It doesn't wash with me that you wouldn't mind if someone called you disgusting,I would mind on your behalf.In the sixties,i was a pupil nurse and one of the most long-lasting lessons i learnt was to never,never show any reaction to a person's disfigurement.It is already hard for them to overcome their own fears about it without other people piling on the misery.

But to someone on the street I wouldn't stare, I wouldn't laugh, I wouldn't talk.  Which is what many more people would do.

>Vile and diabolical are the kind of words more suited to the torturers of baby Peter,not people who certainly don't deserve it.

Vile means distasteful, unpleasant, horrible.
Diabolical means devilish, satanic.

Yep, that sums up his looks. And because he's actively chosen to look like that he obviously doesn't care what other people think. So why should you?

>I don't see why you should be using any negative words at all.

Negative words give meaning to the positive words. If you've always lived in the dark you can have no concept of the light. If you've lived your life in fear you can have no concept of what it means to be free of fear.

>never,never show any reaction to a person's disfigurement

No, not in front of them, that would be rude. But you're free to discuss it later.

Jeangenie!! No, not in front of them, that would be rude. But you're free to discuss it later.

What are you like? :-(

im sure the man really would not be bothered what ever anyone said to him he choose to look that way i i'd say he must be pretty (forgive the pun) used to getting looks and comments in the street , thats if anyone was ever brave enough to say a word to him lol,

Human. :-) And realistic.

Have you never walked past someone in the street, then when you got home said "You'll never guess what I saw today? This woman was huge / dressed in xxxxx / had a beard / had the wierdest colour hair"? It's not been rude to them, but it's a normal reaction to an unusual sight.

anyway he probley get on really well up in Camden he'd look quite normal :-)

its true its true , "You'll never guess what I saw today? This woman was huge / dressed in xxxxx / had a beard and when did you see me then lol lol

> So why should you?

As you well know, I'm objecting to the use of those words in connectionwith people who have disfigurements they didn't ask for.Even so,the use of such words against someone who has chosen to  decorate their face in a way you don't approve of,doesn't give you the right to express your distaste in such an ott way.

>> Negative words give meaning to the positive words. If you've always lived in the dark you can have no concept of the light. If you've lived your life in fear you can have no concept of what it means to be free of fear

And if you've never had a disfigurement,particularly a facial one,which you didn't ask for,you have no concept of what it's like to live with one every day.

>

>I'm objecting to the use of those words in connectionwith people who have disfigurements they didn't ask for

As I said previously, there's a big difference between people who choose to disfigure themselves and those who were either born that way or suffered illness or accident which left them that way. One is an active lifestyle choice and one isn't. I've never, ever used the words vile or diabolical to those who've had no choice in their looks. For them I have the utmost sympathy.

>And if you've never had a disfigurement,particularly a facial one,which you didn't ask for,you have no concept of what it's like to live with one every day.

You're leaping to assumptions, aren't you?

>doesn't give you the right to express your distaste in such an ott way.

OTT? If you showed that image to 100 random people in the street I'd lay odds that my reaction is remarkably civil and restrained!

i was left with a facial disfigurement after a car crash back in 2002 ,

i never had anyone ever say anything to me about it which was i think worse as they would just stare and like Jeangenie said they would go away and talk about me later or when they thought i didnt notice,
it was hurtful at first but then i used to just tell myself that , while they were talking about me they were leaving someone else alone, after all i concider myself to be quit a boring person lol so if someone found reason to talk about me then i would think their lifes must be more boring than mine :-),aswell the way i got it i think i was more greatful to just be alive,
anyway thanks to very kind plactic surgeon at KKH i had mine fixed and it dont look as awful as it did before,

Thats good chelzeagirl. My OH has a facial disfigurment too, doesnt bother me.

A lot of people who 'look different from the norm' prefer it when people ask so they can give them the correct answer and explain why they look like that. For example, my friends mum who was the victim of the thameldahide(sp) drug [given to mums with morning sickness and resulted in chldren being born with short or no limbs] She will happily answer peoples questions if they ask why she looks like that rather than people stare and talk about her behind her back. problem is, most people in society would find it rude to ask but when they speak to her they find out she is a perfectly 'normal' person (no need to talk to her like she is stupid :-) ) and they understand the condition more form having a conversation with her. :-)

> Looking at him is no worse than seeing someone who has a facial disfigurment i.e a birthmark etc. Children will always look at something out of the ordinary and it think it is great if our future generations can learn not to discriminate.

Freds Mum, I find your opinion very, very hurtful and am horrified to be compared with that man - so much so that your post has brought me to tears. I was born with a port wine stain covering a large area on the left side of my face and laser treatment had little effect removing my birthmark but instead left me with areas of raised 'keloid' scarring. I have struggled all of my life to come to terms with my disfigurement, I still struggle to cope with meeting new people and panic around children in fear of them blurting a comment without thinking - like children do but for different reasons as to why they would with that man. I would give anything to have the unmarked skin which that man was most  probably lucky enough to have been born with - he has chose to self mutilate his face which gives him a very scary, intimidating appearence - as an example, you have got to ask yourself why he would not be accepted into so many working environments. He has CHOSE to do this to himself and in order to have gone to the extent that he has, he obviously enjoys the negative attention that he draws to himself whereas I spend what seems to be half of my life applying camouflage make up in order to appear as normal as possible and detract attention away from myself.

funny you metion thameldahide as i was given a sturn telling of by my mum when i was a small child when we were at roehampton hospital my mum was getting her leg fixed and all these kid came from this room with short limbs and i as a child of around 6 or 7 i admit i did stare as id never seen kids like that before , id seen my own mums stump i'd played games like standing on her leg while it was on the floor and she would be in bed joking saying ouch, but i think it was a shock to me that some children also had limbs like my mum, and i said "Ahhhhhh look mum" well i tell you i got a clip round the ear and told never to stare and be rude like that again, it was that moment that i learned not to look at any disabled person any differant,

my mum tolds me some of some funny jokes she played on some ozzie while she was in oz (thats were she meet my dad btw)
she and her pals were swiming in a lake and this good looking ozzie guy was going past in a small boat and he thought my mum needed help so he came to her rescue and as he lifted her out he looked in shock at her stump to which my mum said "cor your crocs are a bit rough" lol, mum said he was not amused she said the ozzies have no sense of humor , her and her pals were all in stitches,

my mums also used her leg to get out of a 12 hour shift in the factory she was working in after doing 7 hours she'd had enough so after finding a screw on the floor she picked it up called to her line manager and told him it had fallen out of her leg so shed have to go home, he asked her cant she fix it, she ok i'll give it a go get me a philips then and started rolling up her trouses leg to remove her leg, lol she got to her knee and he suddenly said oh oh its ok maybe you should go home mary lollolol

am horrified to be compared with that man

I have to agree luvhandles after reading this thread I can not for the life of me see what one has to do with the other in any way or why the two were ever brought together on the thread they have no similarites whatsoever.

Tattoos are a body art, as I suppose are piercings, some of us like them some don't, people are entitled to say they find them vile as others say they find them beautiful, each to their own.

(((Hug)))

sorry you have been upset by this topic luvhandles xx

> Freds Mum, I find your opinion very, very hurtful and am horrified to be compared with that man - so much so that your post has brought me to tears

Please don't be upset anymore Luvhandles.There are more people who understand and care than the other sort.Even though the camofuflage make-up is a right nuisance to apply,it's so effective that nobody looking would know.Hold your head up high and enjoy your life.Having that facial feature has made you a better person because you would never judge anyone by their scars or lumps and bumps and you are much more able to help others than a lot of other people. :)

> You're leaping to assumptions, aren't you?

I'm assuming that a person who did have to live with disfigurement wouldn't be so adamant in flinging inappropriate words at other human beings.

>I'm assuming that a person who did have to live with disfigurement

A mistake. Luckily there are some marvellous surgeons.

>flinging inappropriate words at other human beings.

Inappropriate? The fact that I think what he's done to himself makes him look hideous isn't inappropriate. Like Michael Jackson and the Bride of Wildenstein, I think it's a terrible shame that the poor man has so little faith in his own worth that he feels he has to mutilate himself to give himself meaning.

i take it then Jean that his not your type then? ;-),
he could be a real gent and whisk you off your feet if you meet him lol,

> I think it's a terrible shame that the poor man has so little faith in his own worth that he feels he has to mutilate himself to give himself meaning

How can you possibly know how much faith he has in his own worth? i should guess he's a pretty strong character to carry his style on his face the way he does.Maybe he had it done because he likes it,pure and simple as that.

Hows About This for a TAT Or should i say CAT! lol,

http://www.theginblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/12/cat-butt.jpg

check out this to see more TATS THAT WENT WRONG!!!!!

http://www.theginblog.com/2007/12/15-of-the-absolute-worst-tattoos-ever/

anyone for chess ?

http://www.fark.com/cgi/comments.pl?IDLink=4355885&startid=50659795

if you like the odd tattoo and i mean Odd, you will enjoy scrolling thu this link above for some off the weirdest iv ever seen

he could be a real gent and whisk you off your feet if you meet him lol,

I think that this is where this thread has gone completely off track, the artwork that some people put on their body will be judged as with any other artwork i.e paintings, sculptures, the strange things we see in gallaries around the world some are looked at in awe, some can cause feelings of disgust (the starving dog for instance) all are deemed as art and will be critiqued, because something is on the actual body it does not escape that same critique and is to be expected by the person wearing it.

I find purplehaze's tattoo quite a beautiful piece of work, I think many tattoos are, full body tattoo's I don't find so appealing but they have meaning to the wearer. When it comes to piercings I feel it is quite acceptable for most of us to feel uncomfortable with them and it does bring out negative feelings, I feel that is quite natural to look at the tattooist's lip rings etc and feel upset rather than admiration. In many cultures piercings, lip rings, neck rings are done to show bravery and status and I believe today they are often done for the same reasons and have appeal and admiration to those who also have them and recognise the pain gone through to get them.

But, people are critiquing what they have done to themselves (their artwork) not the actual person, when JG said she found it vile she's talking about the work, not the person and the feeling this body art gives her and many others.

I don't think the two things should be confused as it then brings in feelings of upset and hurt as it is doing here, we should just be stating our opinion on the artwork. 

Hows About This for a TAT Or should i say CAT! lol,

Now that one is hilarious, what a brilliant idea. :-D I don't think anyone can look at that without laughing, you see different tattoo's and piercings bring out different emotions in us all, which is what art is all about. :-)

>But, people are critiquing what they have done to themselves (their artwork) not the actual person, when JG said she found it vile she's talking about the work, not the person and the feeling this body art gives her and many others.

>I don't think the two things should be confused as it then brings in feelings of upset and hurt as it is doing here, we should just be stating our opinion on the artwork. 

Exactly, Carrington. This man's tattoos and piercings are, to me, as attractive as Tracy Emin's unmade bed.

thats fine then , the art work on the mans face i think is GROSS!! yuk i dont like the lip rings ,
but it dont mean the mans not a very nice man who could whisk you off your feet :-)

well anyway i was having a joke with JG , trying to lighten the subject as people were getting upset hence why i posted the links of the worst tats ever it just shows the wierd thing people have done im not bothered why they had them done its their bodys i just wanted people to look at some of the strange artwork around on peoples bodys, :-)

>i take it then Jean that his not your type then? ;-)

However did you guess? :-D :-D Even a meal with him in one of those pitch-black restaurants would be hopeless because of the noise the he'd make with the cutlery!

The description on one of those links for the tattoo 'for the man who's tired of being laid' says it all!

TBH i never read none of it i just look thu the pics lol,

as for the dinner with the guy i would think he may take out his rings to eat would you say?

as long as he dont have the spaghetti i'd say it would be ok hehe :-)

i found some really strange tats some were to rude to post but a man had his whole penis done gosh i bet that hurt,

I saw (a picture, I hasten to add! ) one on female nether regions (Brazilian ;-)), of a butterly with spead wings and eyes above it.