Brainless:  ALIZIN; Thank you for sharing this more indepth knowledge of the product and I will check the link out - hopefully I will never be in a position to need it!

It's certainly something to ensure bitch pup owners are aware of.

They should have posters in vets, advertising it.

>Ideally Alizin is used more like morning After birth control. It is administered as two injections 2 days apart after the season has ended.

Exactly. Ideally it is administered before the embryos have implanted (at about 21 days) and so should be considered a form of contraception (like the coil for women, which also works by preventing embryo implantation) and not a method of abortion.

>Are you sure most Vets haven't attended a natural birth though???

Absolutely certain. They've seen a video of highlights, but unless they are breeders themselves - or in close contact with one - they will never have witnessed one in real time. I've worked with over 20 vets, on top of those I employed in the past, and they all said the same.

>The 2 varieties of Irish Setter breed clubs actually managed to bring in the eventual ban on breeding from dogs affected by or carrying the CLAD mutation &/or the PRA gene because they all agreed

I think it was actually CLAD and VWD.

@Jeangenie It is hard to believe but when I worked for a vet practice in the mid 1950's, our clients occasionally brought their pet bitches in to be whelped by the vet. Attitudes to breeding were so different in those days.
I remember seeing a Litter class at Manchester Champ Show, I think it must have been 1958, when we did the 'vetting in' - long queues of dogs to be examined for signs of illness before being admitted to the show. (Distemper was still common, and Epivax was a relatively new protocol). I think that this might have been the last year that litter classes were permitted. Dogs could be entered for a show with a selling price in the catalogue - there was a space on the entry form for a price to be entered. If an offer was made, the sale had to take place, and the show society was entitled to take a commission on the sale. I don't think it happened very frequently though.
Apologies for this wander down memory lane.

>Dogs could be entered for a show with a selling price in the catalogue - there was a space on the entry form for a price to be entered. If an offer was made, the sale had to take place, and the show society was entitled to take a commission on the sale. I don't think it happened very frequently though.

That was still the case when I started showing in the mid70s. I remember the Sale Price box on the entry form, and being terrified in case it was compulsory to fill it in and I might have to sell my dog to a stranger! Luckily a phone call to my girl's breeder reassured me that I should just leave it blank.

I never knew this used to happen! So interesting!

When I was competing in obedience with my first Boxer I would have gladly paid someone to take him at times

In Nov 1994 I and 2 friends (both now deceased) travelled to an FCI International show in Poznan Poland.

This was just post communism with organised showing just re-emerging.

I had made computer contact with the only person in the Country who had my breed and bred and shown.

I was horrified, along with other people on the organised Johnsyl dog coach tour, to find a hall full of puppies for sale.

I believe that no longer happens.

It's actually 24 hours apart Barbara


Amounts to be administered and administration route

Administer 10 mg per kg of bodyweight of aglepristone, equivalent to 0.33 ml of veterinary medicinal product per kg of bodyweight, twice, 24 hours apart


Above from NOAH

The breed clubs initiated CLAD & PRA DNA research, VW research was already up & running in Germany for GSDs & Dobermanns & other breeds were added.

All the breed clubs were involved in CLAD & PRA research & still include not including carriers of all 3 conditions in any breedings. They were quite successful in doing test matings when DNA testing was not available to rid the breeds of the high levels of PRA or though this was on a very small scale. Just as the ISDS were with compulsory annual eye testing before registering puppies. They reduced CEA(CH) from 20% to 0.02%(figure verified by DNA results) with similar results for PRA

A friend of mine did just that, they had a pet dog who they decided to show & quickly realised that despite the fact he looked like his breed he wasn't really a show quality dog but was a good obedience dog.

They visited various shows & met a lady whose dogs they liked & eventually plucked up the courage to speak to her about a puppy to show. They did eventually get a puppy from her, she had run the bitch on, but as she also had a very promising Golden male she was showing & the two breeds were usually on different days at shows.

They really did strike it lucky, their bitch won multiple best puppies in breed & on maturity became a Champion. ( The Golden was also made up) They ended up not breeding from her due to an infection she picked up.

They did however buy another well bred puppy bitch & after good health test results she had one litter to a suitable stud, who was chosen as a young dog, but due to the bitch's very irregular seasons he was 3 by the time they used him & he had also become a Champion. They only bred one more litter from a grand daughter of their second bitch, before realising the breed had developed to a travesty of the ideal & that it was pointless showing their dogs who were true to the breed standard

Sadly they are no longer with us

Thanks, never used it myself, keeping only bitches.