>is that just for usernames or in conversations etc too?

In general conversation it's fine to mention breed names; however when a person has a litter of puppies it's not allowed because that can sometimes be used as a way of advertising the litter, and advertisements aren't allowed on the forum. Thus affixes aren't allowed as usernames either.

I would ring the vet back and tell him/her whats going on in case you need to pop her back there, the vet may be able to reassure you that things will settle down but for peace of mind just give them a ring.

Thanks Papillon, i have phoned the vet, she says the pain killing injection may have upset her tummy but she will be alright. That's decision made, no more pain killer for her, seems to have worse side effects than the soreness she originally had.

She is just lying out like a milk bar in the whelp box going through the motions but her tail is down and she is miserable.

Just on the discussion of my apparant advertising that people complained about (hence the administrators removal of my name). The puppies were and are all booked and we won't be doing this again any time soon!!!!

Glad the vet was able to offer an explanation, I hope she feels like eating again later when her tummy isnt upset,

To be honest I didnt feel any of your posts hinted at advertising pups, you said from the start you had people booked for them, anyway dont be put off by having to change your name, there is lots of good advice to be got from a wealth of people on here, worth staying around for :-)

Gonna give her some Whelpi milk with egg in to keep her strength up....i will just feel better seeing something go in :)

Hi again,

Don't want to seem too alarmist, but is this a vet practice you have complete faith in?  When my bitch had to have a C section  last year, and was very poorly the next day, she was put on metacam and antibiotics (had very high temp. and was listlss and genrally unwell)  the vets impressed on me not to let pups feed from her while on the meds  - especially the metacam.  If it makes the pups drowzy and listless they may not feed enough.

Did they check her temperature?  I find with this breed a floppy tail is a very good sign that they are miserable and unwell.  It is not a normal after whelping thing, the twist comes back straight away after a normal birth, it is a very effective means of communication.

hi Gwen, i have always had faith in this practice, it is modern and award winning.......however, my experience hasnt been great throughout this.
Her tail curled again up until the pain meds. The metacam seems to have taken the pain away but caused her to feel rough. The pups so far arent drowzy at all and are feeding well. Having had the injection i am not going to give her any liquid metacam as prescribed, it doesnt seem worth it.

I did call the vets to double check the meds were right and they were happy this wouldnt cause me a pup problem and she said never in her experience. she is also on antibiotics

She is drinking water and still feeding and caring for the pups. Day 3 tomorrow and i would expect to see her eating and feeling better, if not i will have to get a bit more challenging at the vets. No they didnt take her temp.

It wouldn't hurt for you to take her temp, just to be sure. There is always a chance of some post op infection, and a high temp would be an easy indicator.

My goodness, I was really looking forward to one day having a litter off my Miley but this really does all sound sooooooo stressful. When does the enjoyment start!
Trish x

When does the enjoyment start!

When the pups have gone to their new homes and you get nice letters from the buyers saying how well they are doing, and the one you've kept is house trained, knows all the basic obedience commands and is ready to be shown. That's when the enjoyment starts, in my experience. :) Having a litter of pups is incredibly hard work.

That's made it sound like I expect it to be easy and would go into it lightly!Nothing could be further from the truth.I have spent a lot of time on my pup since getting her at 7 weeks old, constantly asking her to toilet where I want and training her basic commands and I think as a beginner i have done very well although training to 'down' is proving hard! And I think i have done quite well. I haven't had an accident in the house for 2 weeks and she hasn't poo'd inside for 6 weeks. We are getting there!But what i meant was really, 'Does every mum suffer like this?' it seems so heart breaking.

My own breed are curly tailed and it is perfectly normal for them not to keep their tails up at this time as they are tired.  This does not mean they are miserable, just very pre-occupied doing a mammoth job. :D  If she is being a fantastic Mum do nothing to distract her from this by fussing (as I understand this breed can be poor Mums at times).  By all means wait on her hand foot and finger giving her meals in the whelping box so she need not leave th whelps except to toilet (ensuring a strong bond with pups).

> I have spent a lot of time on my pup since getting her at 7 weeks old

Looking after one is a whole lot easier than a litter :-)  Not just the mess.  When one wakes up in the night to play and shout for dinners they all do.  Then all the worming and the weening..............
Play time is good but the work levels and lack of sleep do take their toll.
7 weeks is incredibly young for this breed, by the way, and most breeders would have the litter for several weeks more than this. 

Yes I know it's young I tried to persuade the lady to keep her longer but she said due to unforseen circumstances she needed the litter gone asap.I think she was having to move house then or something. I origionally wasn't picking her up til she was 10 weeks old! I actually managed to hold her off til she was 7 weeks too! Was very worried about having her so young but booked her straight into vet and got her on EN and syringe fed her water........It wasn't until I had already paid a quarter of her full cost as a deposit and about 3 weeks later that i realised that this woman only bred for the money, but i did check her lines before hand and they are quite good :) As for how much harder work a litter is well that's obvious, I was just making the point that of course none of it's easy! Is any form of mother hood? At least us humans have disposeable nappies! lol Actually I think they make those for dogs now too!
Trish

Brainless you may have a point. I think the tail is just forgotten. She is so focussed on the pups. I am allowing her to not eat the rest of today - although she has an array of menu choice at her disposal and she is drinking lots of water.
Tomorrow hopefully she will feel better. The pups are still feeding and doing well so hope mum will get some rest on the back of the pain killer and wake up raring to go tomorrow.

What a difference 24 hours makes to pups. Cant wait to see things progress. I have been latching them all on every two hours, the two smaller ones togehter followed by the two big ones. Now they all manage to crawl there and latch on together. They have also decided today that mum is better than the heat mat so they finish suckling then crawl up her and spoon together, so cute! I am lucky so far the pups have been strong and mum i know will come round, it had just been tiring with the added addition of pain for her.

That's made it sound like I expect it to be easy and would go into it lightly!Nothing could be further from the truth.

But you've only got a young PUP and admit you're a novice and presumably your pup hasn't even been shown yet -most people would show for many years before contemplating breeding a litter. After all, you must be able to give a lot of help and advice to your puppy buyers so you must know more than them in most cases.

Yes you presume right,Miley has not been shown yet and I will spend the nxt few years learning about the breed and hopefully showing successfully. We have owned Boxers for 9 years, Miley is my first Pug. :)

When my girl was on Metacam after an op she point blankly refused to eat and my vet said this was one of the side effects of this drug, so she was taken off it, within a day or two her eating picked up again.

Sharon, that is helpful! She turned away from all food yesterday. At 1am she went out and had terrible diarreah, finally as she needed to judging by the digestive noises. She then came back in and ate 4 chunks of chicken breast and drank the bowl of Whelpi milk and raw egg.
No more diarreah since but i am not giving her any more Metacam. It isnt healthy! So i can hope she will start eating again later today then......

She is still feeding and caring for the pups although has taken to feeding the pups then coming out of the whelping box and going into her seperate bed to sleep. I did send her back to the box last night as the pups wanted to snuggle with her. I dont want her tiring of the pups cause she isnt feeling great.

It is so hard to see mum suffering like this, she has never had diarreah in her life!!!

Awwww I'm sure she is just a bit sore and feeling a bit out of sorts at the moment, I'm so glad she ate something and had Welpi and egg to, that'll certainly keep her going and keep her producing milk for her babes, I should think another few days and she'll feel a whole lot better than she does right now :-)

Thanks Papillion, that is my theory on the Whelpi and egg. I put a little sugar in it too for energy.......that is ok right?

Bless ya you really are going through it. We're all goin through it with ya. Hope mum is lots better over the course of today. Keep up the good work Peppa! :)

I wouldnt worry about putting sugar in it really, welpi has lots of goodies in it already so it'll probably be surplus to requirements, I know how you must be feeling though, you want to do anything and everything to make sure mum and the babes have the best care they can, she's a lucky girl :-)

Darn, as i pressed send on that message she threw up. Looks like liquid and the little bit of ham she had with her antibiotic. Poor girl. panting again but gone back into the whelping box to watch her babies.

As the vet said the v and d is from the injection yesterday she has until mid afternoon to start eating or the vets will hear my roth!!!! Naturally i am concerned if she continues to feel this bad she will start neglecting the pups.

By the way they all put on another .5 oz today. Funny how they are all gaining exactly the same everyday. Perhaps that is because i supervise all feedings and dont let the big boy in until the end!!!

Your right to put a time limit on mum starting to feel better, if the sickness does continue after that and she still seems to hot then take her back to the vets to be checked out, good to hear the pups are gaining weight, its a worrying lark this dog breeding isnt it :-)

Just taken her temp which is a relief. it is 38.2 which is perfect. she is feeding. i think she will feel better soon.

Worrying lark, no kidding!!! x

Glad to hear that the temp is OK, I have been very worried in case it was up.  I would be giving water with glucose in it, and make sure the fluid intake is fine, even if she does not want/can't eat.  At the risk of repeating myself, while other curley tailed breed may lose the curl post whelping, this is not normal in this toy breed (breed edited), even after a C section, and is a very strong indication that she is feeling very miserable and unwell.  I don't want you to feel that I am being unduly lacking in optismism and the upbeat factor that lots of other posters are giving, but I am very concerned about your girl, and whilst it is lovely to get lots of good feelings and and encouragement from fellow CDers sometimes personal experience of a breed and knowing what can be important signs to look for which are breed specific are more important than bolstering up the breeders feelings.  I am sure she will come through this OK. but I think the most important thing is to have her well as quickly as possible, both for you, her and the pups.

Don't be to concerned if she wants to sleep away from the pups, with our girls who want to be good Mums we arrange the whelping area so that she has free access to a space just in front of the whelping box to rest away from the pups, this seems to settle them better. This breed don't take to enforced confinement well, so being able to be close to pups and pop in and out for feeding and cleaning suits them fine, and they can snuggle them if they want to.

The even weight gain is great, and what is to be expected form a healthy litter, showing you are supervising the feeds well and making sure they all get enough. As they get a bit bigger you  may find that the bigger ones gain a little more, proportionate to the size difference.

Re the metacam, if she is already feeling poorly and this is making her sick it is a vicious circle for her, poor poppet.  However, I think your vet realy needs to get to the bottom of why she is feeling poorly, as it is not usual after a C section which has gone well.  It is worrying that she is feeding the pups so well, but has had so little herself, which is why a quick diagnosis and fix is so important.

Refined sugar will lead to the runs in any quantity.  Glucose or honey are OK.

Are you giving her it warm?  I find everything has to be warm for the first 2 weeks with mine, food and water.    Hand blend the chicken in hot water so it is warm slop sit with the dish under her nose.  

Mine won't come out their box for food for the first 2 weeks. 

Hi All,

Thanks for all the advice and Gwen for the benefit of your breed experience.

Well, things have moved on. i had to take my son to a hospital appt and my mum puppy sat. It was about an hour after vomiting. When i came back she jumped up and wagged her tail. I could have cried! Mum said she had had a little food and whilst out i bought her some cottage cheese and more chicken breast and she ate the cottage cheese and drank some more whelpi and egg. Her tail has curled back up , not as tight but up! She is now sleeping.

so, i do believe she is coming out the other side of it and is sleeping nicely with the pups. I have also turned the heating down a wee bit as mum was struggling with it and i could see it was putting her off being in the whelping box. The heat pad is on and pups on that or on mum.

Gwen thanks for the info on her bed, i will pull it closer to the box so she can look in but you are right, confining her would panic her!
Keep everything crossed people, i think we are back on the up! Oh and i got lots of 1.5hour sleeps last night between feeds so i feel better too :)

Really good news all round :-)

All sound good. :)

> Gwen thanks for the info on her bed, i will pull it closer to the box so she can look in but you are right, confining her would panic her!
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I just wanted to clarify, when I say that I encourage Mums to stay with the pups and give as little reason or distraction as possible for them to leave, I would never dream of confining a bitch with her pups.

If I had a non maternal one then I would put pups on to feed every two hours (thankfully not an issue I have ever had with my own breed).

YIPEE YIPEE YIPEE!!!! She just brought me a toy and i got her excited.......she then got distracted by her food bowl.........and again YIPEEE!!!! x

Is it too soon to take her for a quick walk to perk her up????

All good now.