A little more *published evidence* on duration of immunity :)

http://veterinaryrecord.bvapublications.com/cgi/content/abstract/154/15/457

http://www.ivis.org/advances/Infect_Dis_Carmichael/schultz/chapter_frm.asp?LA=1

http://malernee.blogspot.com/

http://www.britfeld.com/vaccination-adverse.htm

http://www.britfeld.com/cancers.htm

http://britfeld.com/vaccine-thompson.htm

http://www.britfeld.com/vaccine-uk-vets.htm

http://www.homestead.com/vonhapsburg/haywardstudyonvaccines.html

http://www.britfeld.com/health/fibrosarcomas_at_presumed_sites_of_injection_in_dogs.pdf

If it's published on the internet it is available to the profession along with all the evidence that is not published publicly, only the profession will be able to decide if it tips the balance of weight of evidence.

>> along with all the evidence that is not published publicly, <<<

The evidence thats public that vax give duration of immunity for at least 3 years hasn`t ever been disputed by vax companies. And I`d just love to see their evidence that the public don`t see, wonder why thats not made public ;)

Because that is the accademic process.  You let those that are best qualified to do so make sense of it first.  Look what happens when you don't the MMR debate for instance.

Oh Isabel stop going on about academic process please :rolleyes:

How can I it is absolutely pivotal to this discussion.

The evidence is the accepted protocols for duration of cover.

>>The evidence is the accepted protocols for duration of cover<<

Yes & that evidence was made public by Schultz & others :D

Ah so you do accept the work wasn't entirely his own now ;) :D  Totally irrelevant who it was really :)

No, lets get this straight, Schultz is the only one to have done the studies, besides the manu`s that is ;)

and had them accepted by the his professional body :D

Besides the manufacturers!  So their scientists work is not as important?  Whatever :D I don't care who does the work it's the discussion process with the profession that really matters.

My point is that Schultz was/is the scientist that does/has done the testing for the all the major manus. Thats how he knows what he`s talking about :D

I have no idea why this is important to you but it clearly is :) so I will comment further on what he has or hasn't had published.

I am so glad I read all of this.
Moonmaiden I wish I had your knowledge 10 months ago.
My Saluki has an auto immune disease cut down and lifless at 7 years, as rescue dog don,t know how many vaccinations, Saluki hound club and rescue said to me DO NOT VACCINATE.
i was shocked at first and  did not fully understand as it seemed to go against all the advice given by vets,but its true, I daren't vaccinate her, so glad I didn't, as back then I just couldn,t get a proper diagnosis, non one knew what was wrong with her, luckily now my vet agrees not to vaccinate as this could do so much damage.
Happy dog now, thanks to steroids and painkillers, but probably for all her life.
Saluki club people say they have seen this all too often, and somtimes its seeing ,that is all the evidence you need.
ash.

Probably as most Vets aren'toffering to titre test, and where a client asks for it they will ensure it is dearer than the booster to put them off doing it.  The same as the invalid science that has some vets insist on a full primary course of vaccinations if the boosters are late!!!

>they will ensure it is dearer than the booster to put them off doing it.

Now why would they do that if the titre test can be such a nice little earner, perhaps because they think vaccination is a welfare issue and should be encouraged ;)

This is what Intervet advise kennel owners regarding late vaccination:-

>In this particular situation, one or two vaccinations are required to induce sufficient immunity to protect the animal against infection. Depending on the vaccine, it will take 3-14 days before this immunity has been established. As the animal may have been incubating disease at the time of the booster, it is wise to allow at least 14 days between booster and boarding.

And the wording for duration of immunity is at least 3 years lets not forget that bit ;) :D

I don't think anyone's forgetting some vaccinations give cover for 3 years I hope nobody is forgetting other diseases need boostering every year ;)

AT LEAST 3years

I don't see your point there Christine.  Some diseases are covered for at least 3 years but some are only covered for at least 1 year.  Or are you making more of the at least, you have put it in bold capitals but as that tells you nothing about when it runs out after that period I don't see the relevance.

The *at least* is highlighted because it could well be its for life :D

And it could well not be :)

Well with no evidence that it doesn`t & evidence that it does  that`s overwhelming evidence in favour of it does :D

It is clearly not overwhelming or it would have been accepted by the profession.  Dare I mention the accademic process again :D  Have you ever studied this site that I know I have given you before?

When there is no evidence against something & there is evidence for it, thats overwhelming in anykind of process you care to mention :D :D :D

Indeed, but only those that have access to all the data will know when that applies to a particular situation and in this particular situation those that have it are not being overwhelmed :)  Have a look at the site Christine, it explains things far better than I can.

That is only your assumption or opinion Isabel.

Dr Schultz follows thru his findings with his own dogs, titres yearly & never boosters them.

If its good enough for his dogs, should be good enough for other dog owners, after all he is an expert :)

ps he`s got access to just about all the data

It is not my opinion that matters or Dr Schultz's, it is the profession's.  Are they recommending titre testing instead of booster?  Are the majority of vets doing this?  What's good enough for the profession should be good enough for the dog owner.
I'm quite surprised you have never looked at the British Veterinary Associations website, does that mean you have never looked at their policy on vaccination?  If you are going to attempt your own research I think it has to be done dispassionately looking at all available sources rather that just those that tell us what we thought :)

Oh I agree, its not just anybody`s opinion that matters.

Dr Schultz has based his on his studies, those studies have been found to be true & fully accepted by his professional colleagues, you can read it yourself :)

*Once a year, Ronald Schultz checks the antibody levels in his dogs' blood. Why? He says for proof that most annual vaccines are unnecessary.
Schultz, professor and chair of pathobiological sciences at School of Veterinary Medicine, has been studying the effectiveness of canine vaccines since the 1970s; he's learned that immunity can last as long as a dog's lifetime, which suggests that our "best friends" are being over-vaccinated.

Based on his findings, a community of canine vaccine experts has developed new veterinary recommendations that could eliminate a dog's need for annual shots. The guidelines appear in the March/April issue of Trends, the journal of the American Animal Hospital Association (AAHA).

Every year, when we take our dogs to the veterinarian's office, they could receive up to 16 different vaccines, many of which are combined into a single shot. Four of these products protect against life-threatening diseases, including rabies, canine parvovirus type 2 (CPV-2), canine distemper virus (CDV) and canine adenovirus type 2 (CAV-2); the rest protect against milder diseases to which only some dogs are exposed, including Lyme disease.

But, as many veterinarians are realizing, over-vaccination can actually jeopardize a dog's health and even life. Side effects can cause skin problems, allergic reactions and autoimmune disease. Though the case in cats, not dogs, tumors have been reported at the site of vaccine injections.

"These adverse reactions have caused many veterinarians to rethink the issue of vaccination," says Schultz. "The idea that unnecessary vaccines can cause serious side effects is in direct conflict with sound medical practices."..........

I`ve answered your questions, thoroughly, I`m not going to go on & on repeating myself anymore. Its a global issue, maybe you should remember that :)

I agree there is no point in going on and on about how the profession deals with all the research.
I wish you would not keep going on about Dr Shultz Christine.  You obviously have a high personal regard for him so I did not really wish to bring up again the fact that he appears to have had no research of his own published or anything at all since 1998 but this has all been discussed before in this thread so if anybody thinks this is at all relevant to what the protocols actually are they can read it there if they wish.

Titre testing is definitley the progressive way to go - my vet has now changed his policy on vaccinations after he saw what it did to our 3 year old GR - they are offering titre tests to everyone!   It's also interesting to see that the majority of dogs that contract these diseases are the ones that are vaccinated against them!!
For the health of your dogs and cats TITRE TEST - otherwise you might end up like me losing a very beautiful young boy who loved life and wasn't ready to die!
Maria

Titre testing has always been available to everybody.  Are you saying your vets is now recommending titre testing instead of boosters?

Diane hadn`t heard about it before she came on here. I`d heard of it & asked for it to be done, my vet said *can`t be done* :rolleyes:

Nones disputing its always been available, but its no damn good if nobody KNOWS about it & vets don`t mention it:rolleyes:

I think this point was covered in a previous thread.  It is the job of a professional to offer the best option by the accepted protocols it is not reasonable for them to aquaint their clients of all the lesser options.  People in the UK who opt for titres don't seem to have any difficulty in getting their vets to organise this.

Yes I agree totally B/L!!

I had heard about them D but can`t say I fully understood them like I do now.
The worse thing is tho I`d asked my vet to titre my litter of pups/their mum before he vaxed them to see when would be the best time. He told me no, couldn`t be done over here, also told me he`d never seen vax reaction & they were safest thing ever

After he vaxed them he ate those words cos I was having titres done in Madrid & Glasgow & he saw a reaction he`ll never forget in his life :( :( :(