Hi Michelled

Sorry that wasn't aimed at you,was aimed at mollmoo, when in the wrong place for some reason.  Hope you are well

And if KC Bulldogs are sooooooo dreadful, why would the 'alternative' breeders want to use a KC dog??????  If their dogs were breeding true to type, they wouldn't need the bad blood that they condemn so much!
I'm afraid they are just producing crossbreeds at best, mongrels at worst Moll.

Look I havent come on here to cause trouble, But I am certainly not going to take what you lot dish out lying down !

When the Olde Tyme Bulldog was being created, only Bulldogs from some of the best lines out there were being used, feels like Im banging my head up against a brick wall with you lot, honestly some of you have so much to learn, you will be probably not so happy to hear that the kc was petitioned last year - So belive me soon that day of the Olde Tyme is comming fast, I cant understand why you lot argue isnt this supposed to be a board full of dog lovers?  All you seem to get on here is bitching and arguing just lately.

Thing is I can accept pedigrees and I can accept dogs that are not as yet recognised, and the thing is I dont think its worth arguing about, but just because someone has used a dog from excellent lines allbeit years ago, does not make them a puppy farmer or a back yard breeder.  So what if its an excellent dog from excellent lines, isnt that what most of us go out to achieve?  By using the best stud dog that people can find?  So what if 15-20 years ago that dog was crossbred, I have not come here to slate the Bulldog you help do that yourselves with the attitudes.  Its all cloak and dagger stuff here isnt it.......

You have come to cause trouble, otherwise you wouldn't be so rude. There are some good debates on here, and some bad ones, but the bad ones are always fueled by someone like yourself.

I seem to be banging my head against a brick wall getting you to realise, like I have said many times before, I have got nothing against the ode tyme breed, or any breed for that matter.

At least you have redeemed yourself on the Lynmans front, there was no need to bring her into this and she would not be happy if she knew that you did, but you have said she is an excellent breeder etc so I can forgive you for that.

15-20 years ago isn't long enough to establish a true breed is it? I thought it took longer than that to establish a new breed and to produce true to type dogs. I may be completely wrong on that one, just what I thought. Can anyone enlighten me on this? I am genuinely interested.

Our attitude is down to our love for a breed and proctecting it when someones come on here and slates it, it does not reflect at all in the breed so I don't know what you are going on about there. No one has called olde tyme breeders puppy farmers/back yard breeders either, so not sure where you came up with that.

Oh have I now?  You dont know me and thats a rather sweeping statement I`m rude because I get so sick and tired of going over old ground that has already been done to the death on this board, wheres the OP now??? probably sitting back and laughing, Olde Tymes always seem to cause controversy on this board and to be honest I am not sure why - Is it because they are not recognised by the Kennel Club?  Because they are not the only breed out there that are not, thats for sure, my own breed (other than Bullmastiffs) Corso`s have just been rejected by the Kennel Club but that does not mean they are Crossbred does it?

Olde Tymes have been around a long time, perhaps 30 odd years I could be wrong about the 15-20 years.  And just like the Corso (hopefully, and I mean Corso`s not Olde Tymes), its only a matter of time before they do get recognised by the Kennel Club, its not a long way off belive me.

I happen to like Olde Tyme Bulldogs and they were a dog I considered myself before deciding on Corso`s.  Theres nothing wrong with standing up for your breed, but consideration must be given to people who also own the Olde Tymes as belive me they do read the board.   And to hear your breed is not a pedigree when they have papers and OTB club registration documents, confuses people into thinking they have been duped in some cases they may have been, but certainly not in some.

I love Cane Corso's, they are very handsome dogs, didn't realise they are not recognised by the KC, anyway that is another thread ;-)

I also like the Olde Tyme, and it is not the breed but the fact some people abuse the name and by doing so also abuse the name Bulldog in general whatever the type it is. By this I mean that any bulldog cross breed is often called "olde tyme" it can be seen in addmart, the add papers etc etc. I suppose that is why I am a bit suspicous of dogs called Olde tyme, it doesn't mean I don't like the dogs. People are being duped into buying these crosses thinking they are pedigree, and sadly alot are not. I have every respect for the breeders who have been working hard for all these years trying to get a true to type breed and I feel sorry for them that there are alot of money grabbers out there discrediting their breed.

I hope I have cleared up how I feel about the breed and why I seem a little suspicious/untrusting when something regarding "olde tyme" comes up.

that can be with any breed though in those type of papers,people will buy anything!!!

Yes ;) I think I will just leave it at that now, I will take steps to apologise for my attitude as I`m not evil really, I just get annoyed at the bad few that start threads like this, then can`t be bothered to give futher input, just seems they were out to cause bad feelings, snipers eh? Make you sick :)

Edited To Say

All I will say, anyone intrested in the Olde Tyme Bulldog should go through pedigrees and any documents relating to them with a nit comb and if unsure walk away :)  And dont buy pups from the Free Ads :)

Good advise.

Thank you for your apology it is much appreciated :-)

There are many breeds all over the world that are recognised breeds by their national gtoverning bodies that are not recognised in the UK, but they are legitimate breeds as they have been bred true (like to like) without crossbreeding.

Now there seem to be various bulldog variants being discussed seem to be of very recent date and I cannot see how they can as yet be called a breed when they are still crossing them with other breeds. 

I also cannot see how a healthy and wide enough gene base can have been developed in such a short time for so many potential new breeds.

While they are still develping they are not a breed, and while they kjeep reintroducing the blood of other breeds they cannot be more than a type of dog like the Lurchers are who never try to purport to be a breed.

  Anyone on this thread still remember Michael who actually started it?

>Ive just come across this forum whilst looking for olde tyme bulldogs and seen a few posts about them, and was wondfering why there was such animosity againts them and there reason<

Seemed to me at the time that since "Michael" searched the archives he clearly knew the answers to his questions from the beginning - can't think why anyone didn't see it turning into this - we've been here before girls and nobody appears to have changed their views on either side.  It's just going to keep degenerating ........

Teri :(

Well, whatever the argument is, in a few years time, the Dorset Olde Tyme Bulldog will probably be a recognised KC breed. Every 5 years the KC or the AKC (American Kennel Club) recognise at least 1 new breed. Sometimes, the breed has been about for hundreds of years. As a husky owner, I know that the Siberian Husky was only classed as a recognised breed in the 1970s! The breed itself has been a working purebred dog since the early 1800s! So, if the breed is not recognised at this moment in time then don't worry! If the breed is continued to be purebred and many breeders can prove this to the KC then within the next few years the Dorset Olde Tyme Bulldog will probably be strutting it's stuff in championship shows too!

Same as the Spanish Water Dogs, they've been known to be around for centuries but only had a recognised breed standard etc. just over 20 years ago in their own country of origin !!!  One was shown in this country in the late 1800's at a show in Manchester of all places and was called the Spanish Wool Dog :d 

It is a lot harder to get a dog recognised here in the UK I think than in America, no bad thing I feel.

Nobody has any right to say anything nasty about any other breed of dog. (They become as bad as my dad at dog shows otherwise!) but nevertheless everybody has their different oppinions. I don't like peas for instance, my boyfriend does...i take the mick out of him for it but I've never thought of doing that with his dog. Although he does make fun of my youngest dogs cross-eyes...I'm going off the point a bit here aren't I?!!!

I am up for anything, and if the KC recognise them that is great. But the OP shouldn't come on here and have no respect for other peoples choice of breed thats all.

And also if he has done his research then he will know that what he is saying about their health etc is a load of twaddle. :-) I really have nothing against the breed and I do hope it is recognised, maybe under a different name though. I can imagine that a few people have been fighting very hard and for a long time to get their breed recognised, and I wish you all the luck. It is a shame that some breeders and owners are letting all your hard work down.

Don't mean to be illiterate but what does OP mean?!

oringinal poster

Thanks!

Is that what dorset owners want though, to me it seems that the kc standards have changed too  many breeds for the worst.

The standards are written by the breed clubs, not the KC. The Dorset breeders themselves would stipulate their breed's details.
:)

And they do JG ;)

So Micheal there you have it :)