Hi, I know which tests to get because I've researched the crossbreed's health issues. She's a [small breed].

Not sure why oh dear, they are a lovely breed and cross breeds tend to be healthier than pedigrees due to more diverse genetics.


Oh dear you have fallen for the "hybrid"vigour theory. Sorry to say hybrid vigour doesn't exist in dogs because all dogs whether pedigree or mongrel, share the same genetic source.

Crossing 2 breeds like poodles & cocker spaniels doesnt make healthier puppies because both breeds share the same genetic conditions like PRA, HC, slipping patellas etc as well as polygenetic & environs affected conditions such as HD & ED. Then there are breed specific conditions like Familial Nephropathy, from the breeds in the cross.

Hybrid vigour comes from crossing 2 compatible subspecies of the same species such as wolves & dogs, horses & donkeys(although mules are sterile !!). Breeding two breeds of dogs together is not breeding from 2 different sub species but 2 of the same subspecies, which have exactly the same number of sets of genes.

BTW the figures that allegedly prove mongrels/crossbreeds are"healthier" come from insurance company claims statistics,which do NOT take into account that far more pedigree dogs are insured than non pedigree dogs they only use the actual number of claims !!

Hi, I know, the conversation has moved on since then and I accept that I was incorrect.

No matter what anyone else has written you should morally get ALL the puppies gully DNA  tested in case any are carriers begore the nrw owners might plan to breed from your puppies & there is nothing you can do to prevent them & these 2nd/3rd generation mixed breeds seem to command huge prices.

They are NOT a breed & TBH when you get further away from the pedigree dogs they were initially bred from they are I would class them as the same as my two rescue mongrels, as you cannot prove what percentage of the two breeds is in the puppies.

If you have no contact the males owners he could be closely related to your bitch(especially as you have no knowledge of his alleged bloodlines unless by luck the owners happened to have that information with them when this preventable mating occurred)

Will you be having another litter from your bitch as you stated you were planning one later initially to another male ?

Well mongrels or not, I think they are wonderful. I'm not snobby about these things.

We probably would not breed from her again because the point was to keep a puppy or two, and for friends and family to have one. We won't be spaying her though, we'll just keep her at home and in the garden for future seasons. Garden is a good size.

I don't know that the mating was preventable. Mine was on a lead, she's never slipped out of her harness before.

In fairness, it is confusing that the KC in it's wisdom, allows registration of some mixes now!

They have registered crossbreeds and mongrels (and purebred dogs without known pedigree) for many, many years on the activity register -required if you want to compete with a crossbred dog in obedience, agility or similar. That's nothing new. All of these are listed in the BRS. The new(ish) part is that some people register entire litters and advertise them as KC registered, without informing buyers that they do not have full KC registration on the breed register. There's also the newer companion register which is meant for pet dogs of unknown backgrounds, ones not intended for competition, but that has never really taken off I believe.

Its not"profit"you have to declare it is any income over 1,000 GBP this is the amount of income that defines a hobby or a business.

that's not correct--Alizin can be administered well into the pregnancy (2 injections given 24 hours apart) and it is effective up to 45 days--but no one would seriously want to do that since it will likely result in the abortion of live foetuses.

> the point was to keep a puppy or two

Please, please please only keep ONE puppy yourselves.  If you want to know why, google 'litter mate syndrome' and 'should I have one puppy or two?' and so on... And watch the many videos and articles that appear.  Such as these:

https://youtu.be/LSEno_YxhMk 
https://youtu.be/jfZ5n-N1sJk
http://www.whole-dog-journal.com/issues/13_1/features/Problems-Adopting-Two-Puppies-At-Once_16190-1.html
http://blog.betternaturedogtraining.com/2013/07/18/littermate-syndrome/

Secondly, I think it is very irresponsible to say BOTH that you don't think the mating was avoidable AND that you're not going to spay your dog.  I've owned intact bitches for about 15 years now (no males), and I've never had an unwanted mating in all that time.   I've never had even a slightly risky encounter. 

All dogs should have a reliable recall, but if you're going to keep an intact bitch then that definitely needs to be in place.  And harnesses should be secure and unable to be backed out of.  There are harnesses with two straps which are impossible for a dog to back out of.   Being in heat doesn't somehow give dogs incredible harness-escaping powers beyond the ordinary.  They could equally escape to get to a person or dog on the other side of a road...

But you can't ethically go around saying that it was a completely unavoidable mating and also that you're not going to spay your dog.  It's essentially inviting the same thing to happen again.  Why would it not?  You're not changing anything because you don't think it was avoidable and you're not spaying the dog.  The latter I ordinarily completely agree with, BTW - owning an intact bitch doesn't equal breeding from her.  But if you can't manage her to the point where you can prevent her breeding, then those are IMO the owners who SHOULD be spaying.  And in your own words, you are one of these...

Train your dog.  And/or keep your dog on a secure harness.  And if you can't achieve either of those and aren't going to change anything, then please spay her.

The Kennel club advise. OC, prcd-PRA and eye tests but Most miniature poodle breeders tests for:
Osteochondrodyplasia (OC)
Degenerative Myelopathy (DM exon2)
Neonatal encephalopathy (NE)
Progressive Retinal Atrophy (prcd-PRA)
Progressive retinal atrophy (rcd4-PRA)
von Willebrand disease Type I (vWD I)
Eye test

Standard poodles also have hip and elbows.

I had a similar situation happen to me years a go with a bitch that was about a week into her season a dog appeared out the trees, same breed, she wasnt interested, luckily! after that we always walk where dogs have to be on leads during seasons.

Do you have an update?

Yes I have an update: pregnancy was confirmed by ultrasound and she is now at day 58.