Well the International Silken Windhound Society dna test each puppy swab against the parents, and they do occasionally find sires are not who they were thought to be. No reason why our KC couldn't do the same.

The down side is that you have to specify which sire to check the dna against, they can't seem to just search their records and match it that way. So someone with say 5 male dogs and the litter comes back not matching the sire the bitch was purposefully mated too then has to decide which of the males are the likely sneaky one and ask to test the swabs against him. 

> Do the KC test each litter to be registered are correct on the DNA?

No only the parents have to be identified or have a DNA profile.

I believe the DNA profile makes people think that it is confirmation of their pups parentage which it is not.

Why would the average puppy buyer query it?

Trouble with DNA testing all pups, is it would add quite a bit onto the cost of each puppy and also time wise, as it would hold up registrations.  To take reliable DNA swabs pups need to be fully weaned and really should be separated from each other for a couple of hours and not have eaten anything in that time.

So for practicality how do you separate each of a large litter of pups, or do you do one each day and separate it for the requisite time?

I would expect the volume breeder to have the facilities.

I have DNA swabbed a litter as Mum was resting in the car on the trip back from a succesfull mating and I popped in for a cupppa with her sires owner...her sire managed to open my car door and break down the dog gaurd to get in with her...They were only in together for less than 5 mins and were just sitting together but we did DNA both potential sires and Mum and the pups to make sure ! Now I DNA any pups  I keep as a matter of course, the swab test is sat in my lounge waiting to be done on my new baby at the moment. For £25 it gives me piece of mind so if any of mine were to be stolen I could 100% prove who they are.
In my huble opinion these cock a doodle doo's will need to severly tighten up on such things as standard before the KC accepts them as anything other that a crossbreed. As for expecting breeders of doodles to health test stock, the KC do not give a damn at the moment about Pure breeds so there is little chance of them doing that.
It is about time we took a leaf out of the continental breeders books and had all our breeding stock assesed for suitability before breeding and if they cannot pass the tests of health character and breed type and recieve certification from the breed club then the KC should refuse to regiser the pups.
Oh I can dream......
Aileen T

It is about time we took a leaf out of the continental breeders books and had all our breeding stock assesed for suitability before breeding and if they cannot pass the tests of health character and breed type and recieve certification from the breed club then the KC should refuse to regiser the pups.

Yes!!!!!!!

> It is about time we took a leaf out of the continental breeders books and had all our breeding stock assesed for suitability before breeding and if they cannot pass the tests of health character and breed type and recieve certification from the breed club then the KC should refuse to regiser the pups.

but won't that make already small gene pools even smaller?

Would you rather breed from animals who are able to pass on crippling health or agressive temperaments ? I have just made the trip to Holland to bring in fresh healthy bloodlines. It may be expencive but it is one of the things careful breeders do to ensure that the gene pools are growing. If breeders are not prepared to travel to find the right mate then maybe breeding is not for them, or more to the point they are not ready for breeding. Breed type is also important otherwise many breeds will end up looking nothing like the pictures of the dogs that people fall in love with. Whatever the RSPCA say about breeding for health first and formost I susspect 99% of dog owners chose thier dogs/breeds on looks. It is not right then to produce pups who may be sad travesties of the breeds they try to portray.
Aileen

I agree with you Aileen and a stop needs to be put in place to stop allowing any dog to registered with the KC. Without breed suitability tests on the parents.

Maybe we should get the breed clubs to have more clout, have a main club for each breed and it all has to e passed through then before it goes to KC... Lots of European countries work in this way.
Rottweiler's had their first breeding suitability testing last year at the Rott Sports club and a show with critiques for all entered under the FCI judge and ruling.
Very interesting.

I do think that many breed clubs are going in the right direction, it needs to be lead from the top, so ALL committee members abide or they get kicked off, then looking at members. Without membership then dogs can't be registered, god that would make people pull their socks up!!

but won't that make already small gene pools even smaller?

No, but it will effectively remove the back yard breeders and puppy farmers from using KC registration, as only dogs looking and acting like their breed WITH good health test results can be used for breeding. Surely that is what we want. One of my co-owned dogs went to a show in France where he did well and was also assessed as recommended for breeding (which involved several judges discussing him, not just one -plus gunshot tests etc). He could not receive his certificate saying he had passed before they had received a copy of his hip score certificate.

In reality no it would not reduce the gene pools as conscientious breeders would not use the BYB untested stock, and you'll never get them and puppy farmers to do the health testing as it costs a lot of money.

There is no 'financial' incentive for any breeder to health test (other than having healthy dogs of their own which will cost them less to keep into old age), only ethics makes good breeders try their best.

Unfortunately unless health testing became a legal requirement, then all that restricting the KC services would do is continue to allow puppy farm registries to flourish as they do in the USA.  We already have one well known one and at least one other that cater to those breeding to meet demand of the often fickle pet market.