The vet saying" good ,for a boxer "does not mean his heart is healthy. 
I've had vets say similar , The vet is so used to hearing heart murmers in certain breeds that they say anything slightly better than usual is good. you have to ask them if they have any murmer at all and what grade. or even better see a cardiologist to get a definate answer

> he was checked he was quoted on having an exceptionaly healthy heart for a boxer,and had i bean asked not dictated to i would of quite happily informed that his back/hip was the result of a injury,,,

So what is his Hip Score (http://www.bva.co.uk/Hip_Scheme.aspx )  and Heart Score (http://www.boxerbreedcouncil.co.uk/as.htm)?  What about the bitch/  As said before your vets opinion is not sufficient.

Quote danboyyyyyyy "keen and eager to learn y he is not penetrating her, nothing else ...the back hip it is from an injury nothing more,,,he is humping away quite happily,and ferociously his penis is just not comeing out and i only wish you had seen the comments that had been removed then i wouldnt have to explain myself all over again all i wanted  advice on was the problem of not penetrating the bitch he has no other underlying problems  so we would not even have to think about forking out so called vets fees ... im sorry but you have also missed the entire point and relative question as to y i was on here in the 1st place, i know also about the issue of how there behaviour changes after mating but again that was not my initial question.,why is everyone straying off my initial question and foraging into matters that i have knowledge in...thaks all the same but why he was not penetrating her was all i wanted and needed to know........... "

And why exactly do you think you have the right to ask ethical, experienced and caring breeders to help you when we are getting the impression that you are breeding from dogs that have not had the health tests that are essential for breeding stock of your breed and are just being mated together for convenience? Caring breeders do the recommended health tests for their breed and make an effort to find a stud dog that complements their bitch, not just one that belongs to a friend so a stud fee can be saved.

IF I am wrong and the pair have been heart tested (not just checked by your vet) and hip scored (again via the BVA scheme not just a vet check) then I still can't understand why you wouldn't put people's minds at rest and give the results. I am more than happy to give details of my dogs' scores when asked :)

> I am more than happy to give details of my dogs' scores when asked :-)

As are most breeders worthy of the name, as these are a matter of pride in doing things properly.

It does seem strange this dog is remaining with the penis still in the sheath (if that is what the OP is saying) and I do wonder if there may be a back problem that is somehow restricting the nerve signals to that part of his anatomy. Even if the bitch is not ready this is not an experienced stud so you would expect some reaction most will even start to show with the stimulation of defecation.

Not sure if backs are a problem with this breed although I do know that hearts are it is good to hear that the breed club is so proactive.

Some Boxers can suffer with Spondylosis - not sure how much of a problem it is within
the UK but I know it's not something that is routinely tested for in the UK but in Scandanavian countries they do test for it.
Certainly not much has been posted about it within the press i.e. breed notes and breed health seminars that I have been to.

she just might not be ready yet? our boy mated our girl both were maiden ,so from day 8 we put them together for a short time each day to see how they went on he would mount her and she was happy to let him but like your boy nothing was happening ,then i think day 13 he was foaming at the mouth and licking and sniffing her like mad the next day he mated her propley ,so maybe she just isnt ready yet?

i  feel marrianneb started it by not asking if his hip/back was hereditory or the result of an injury by just assuming it was dysplasia

No, I asked if hip scores had been done as you mentioned a bad hip. Having lived for 13 years with a dog with severe HD obviously it is something that comes to mind easily. I don't know how common injuries are to hips but I'd guess HD is far more common, so a natural assumption to make. It was a simple question and explanation -breeders have been sued by puppy buyers.

You went on to say that both dog and bitch had been hip scored with good results. I assume the bad hip would, naturally, have received a poor score. This could put puppy buyers off so I'd suggest that you then get your vet to write you a certificate stating that one hip's poor score was due to an injury, so you have some form of proof. As breeders we have to protect not only the animals we breed, but ourselves as well. The general public are already under the impression all pedigree breeders are bad and don't care about health and so are far more likely to take legal action than once was the case.

>not that involved its a freinds dog and we just thort wed give it a try!!!!!!!!

It's this rather casual attitude that rings alarm bells

No good breeder is going to want to encourage you in the mating of untested dogs.  I suspect many would be pleased that it didn't just happen for you this time.  In todays climate more and more puppy buyers are asking detailed questions about the suitability of such matings and will want to see evidence that bitch and stud dog owners have paid for health tests, got good results (with relevant paperwork), and done their research to find the most appropriate match.  Just bunging two convenient dogs together isn't good enough. 

If you want to be taken seriously then please take some time to have a read through the advice you've been given and the responses you've posted.  Whatever your original intention, some of your responses have raised questions about your preparedness for breeding at this time...

even if he or she had not any of the related papers eligibility hereditory conditions etc etc they would still have a litter,. end of .......... irressponsible or not!

You will just have to hope they don't have any hereditary conditions then eh... otherwise some very angry new owners may just be happy to take you to court !! Health testing is there for a reason... not as a critisism....

>whelping is common with any female animal including your self
>both dogs are fit and healthy and are very well with none of the problems you are all assuming we have

Brachycephalic breeds are naturally more likely to have expensive whelping problems than the more conventionally structured breeds regardless of how outwardly 'fit and healthy' they are, but of course you'll have taken this into consideration.

Also the white puppies that are likely to be born if both parents are flashy marked, will need BAER hearing testing at 6 weeks.  This may require travelling with the pups a long distance.

Do you know if the bitch came from a litter with a high proportion of white pups, and were any of them hearing affected, same with the dog, this is all the kind of research that needs to be done, and why breeders should not act in isolation.