I think sometimes people get on their moral highground and don't look at the whole bigger picture.  Who are we really to judge others. 

People DO NOT have to be trophy chasers, or " Pamming " dogs off to be life long advocates , guardians of a breed. If it was not for many big kennels keeping only top drawer stock over many years a lot of our breeds would vanish or the quality would be very poor.

I know of a few very good kennels who do find the odd EXCELLENT family home for a show dog they have wrong on, the dog is not pammed off on anyone. The comment itself is a tad judgemental.

I find it a bit sad that people think their way is the only correct way but then don't mind sitting down to you chicken or steak dinner without much regard for the animals lifes.

I also find it a bit sad that people buy a bitch in and them do a bit of showing , bred from it keep the best in the litter whether it is good enough or not, and on and on it goes, is this a better breeding program than those who strive to protect the breed?  who are we to really say.

I am not saying I agree with running on surplus dogs and letting them go BUT I think heavens some do and have or I would not have the dogs I have today.

I think the term 'abandon' is exactly correct.  It means 'give up on' or 'forsake'.  Well the GSD owner certainly did that!  And however adaptable dogs are and as much as, to an extent, they live in the now they do suffer from being passed around much as we may prefer to believe they don't.  Believing that just lets us off the hook. 

All my dogs have been re-homes or from rescue centres and the damage done to most of them by being passed around like disposables is pitiful.  We have had two re-homes who were so depressed and dejected that it took us nearly a year to get one interact and engage in play and two years before we could honestly say the other was anything other than 'emotionally flat'.  They were living breathing animals but they were not 'alive'. 

Dogs 'grieve', they suffer depression they also develop other conditions as a result of stress.  Those following the Dobe with OCD on another thread will have read that trauma and stress are often the trigger for these heartbreaking conditions in dogs.  Some dogs do find it stressful losing their home, the only people they have ever known, the routines, their other doggy pals and suffer when given up on and find themselves in other homes.  Some just bounce back.  Depends on the temperament of each individual I imagine.

I don't think you can compare many of the dogs that come through rescue damaged with a rehoming like this - indeed, there are rescues that come from caring homes whose circumstances mean they can no longer keep a dog.

From what you have said, I can only conclude that you are against Guide dogs and other assistance dogs - the leave the litter at 6 weeks, go to one home (a puppy walker) for a year, get moved on to be trained, maybe in kennels, before being rehomed again with the person with the respective disability.   That's three different homes in only a few years.  Are you suggesting that assistance dogs grieve and suffer stress and depression?  Are you against that too?

Agree with you completely on that point. Brainless.   Whatever the reason people give up on their dogs whether it's because they didn't 'show' well, perform/compete well or any other trivial excuse such hard hearted people have for moving a dog on the root cause is selflish self-interest.  They got a dog to suit their needs/desires/wants/whims and if the dog doesn't match up the  dog gets off-loaded. 

I agree there are some special cases where for unforseen circumstances an owner may have to part with a much loved dog but that's not what was being discussed by the OP.

IMO it is unacceptable.  When anyone breeds/takes on a living creature it should be a life-long commitment, not entered into lightly and re-homed when owner expectations are not met. 

In only some eyes failures, in most true dog lovers eyes they are winners.

This subject really gets under my skin.  This is when a dog becomes a commodity and not a living breathing animal.  Most of us have non showers as I prefer to call them !!!!  or oldies that deserve the right to lay on the sofa.  My oldest girl is 9, abeit she still shows off and on ( can't keep away from it lol !!! ), she obviously will have to retire sooner or later.  She has done everything we have ever asked of her, shown here and abroad, made up in 2 Counties, given us a beautiful litter, on of which as achieved great things, she is now a grandmother and we are waiting to see what the future brings for them.  Without her none of this would have been possible.  But we all know things don't always turn out the way we want, had the opposite happened she would still be on my sofa and being spoit rotten. I have another dog who started showing with success and then decided he hated it, he is 2 yrs old, and this breed lives to be 15 yrs appox.  Where is he....... ? at the moment curled up on the sofa with my old girl lol !!!!!  I love them unconditionally, they get the same love and attention in or out of the ring.  It seems so cold hearted some how that these people out their dogs because they don't achieve what it says on the tin !!!!!  but there again showing is their whole life..........  how sad is that ?  Never, ever, ever will I get that way, I'd rather give it up first.  Hey ho off my soap box now !!!!!

You are missing the point.  The OP was talking about dogs that are moved on because they don't meet owner expectations and so callously get discarded.  But, having worked in rescue for years I can assure you that whether the dog was given up callously or for other more acceptable reasons, dogs suffer as a result.

Also, many assistance dogs do not go through a programme similar to Guide dogs, they are the owners own dogs and they are trained, with the help of a qualified trainer, within the home environment to carry out tasks pertinent  to the disabled owner.  I used to be a trainer for an organisation that ran such a training programme.  There are exceptions.

Guide dogs are slightly different.  The role of puppy walkers is to socialise the dog and they are advised not to get emotionally involved as they know from the onset that the dog will be passed on.  At least this is my experience.  I had a number of puppy walkers over the years who brought the pups to my training classes to learn the basics and this is the understanding that they gave.  But, many do not make the grade when they are returned to the guide dog training facility and are turned over to be re-homed as pets. This is despite the guide dog organisation having its own breeding programme to maximise the possibility of dogs with suitable temperaments for the work they will have to do being bred.  Maybe the number is as great as it is simply because they have been returned from the puppy walkers to the training facility.  Has any research been done? 

I won't publicly state what my opinion is of guide dogs after going through their training but suffice it to say IMO the dogs pay a high price to assist its human partner.

> It seems so cold hearted some how that these people out their dogs because they don't achieve what it says on the tin !!!!!  but there again showing is their whole life..........  how sad is that ?

You can't say "how sad is that" because some one's life is about their hobby.
Football is Daivd Beckhams life, he started out just playing footie with his dad & mates, then at school, a local team & so on and so on. I wouldn't say he is sad, yes he has his wife & family but football is his life, it's all he's ever done & everything he's strived for.

There are people who have pets & they show their pets & thats it but then there are people who own dogs that they show, for some people it is their life, each weekend is going to the next dog show, and is it fair to leave the dogs that don't make the grade at home each weekend? No, so the best thing for the dog is to find them a home where they become the pet that someone always wanted & they become spoilt rotten & truely loved by some one or a family, cold hearted would be leaving them at home each weekend whilst the other dogs go for their weekend away.

The difference is Gemma86 that David Beckham chose his hobby and it is his decision, his commitment, his life that is affected by what he does and his wife knew that before she married him and chose to stay.

With people who show dogs it may be their choice to use the dogs for their own ends - but the dog does not have a choicein the matter.

How arrogant is it of humankind to think they can use other living creatures for their own purpose?  And yes it is sad that some people think the choice is to re-home a dog that didn't make the showing grade rather than leave it at home for the day while the owner goes off jaunting with a more successful dog to dog shows!!  What an abomination, an appalling indication of man's crass behaviour.   Far better would be to take both or all dogs out for a ramble in the woods and let them be what they are - dogs - not show pieces, tools to win trophies, ornaments or whatever role some of their owner thinks their dog  should assume.

> Guide dogs and other assistance dogs - the leave the litter at 6 weeks, go to one home (a puppy walker) for a year, get moved on to be trained, maybe in kennels, before being re-homed again with the person with the respective disability.   That's three different homes in only a few years.

Also quite often when they retire from active duty the guided person may not be able to keep two dogs (when they need their next one and the present dog reaches retirement age) and they then move to another home for retirement.

> With people who show dogs it may be their choice to use the dogs for their own ends - but the dog does not have a choicein the matter.
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I would say this is an 'Animal Rights' versus 'Animal Welfare' viewpoint.

I do not ascribe to the 'Animal Rights' viewpoint, no matter how much I love my dogs, but do strongly believe in 'Animal Welfare'.

> but the dog does not have a choicein the matter

Suzieque, have you ever heard of the saying "you can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink"

A dog does have a choice, if it doesn't want to show it won't! However some dogs love being in the ring & they were born to do it.

> Far better would be to take both or all dogs out for a ramble in the woods and let them be what they are - dogs

You are assuming that people who show their dogs don't let them do that? I'm not even going to bother as you have it in your head people who show dogs aren't good dog owners which is total rubbish.

> You are missing the point.

Not missing the point, just not sharing your opinion.  I have a dog that did not make the grade as a working dog and is a much loved pet - and have never rehomed a dog, but I can see why some feel that this may be a better option for the dog.  

>Maybe the number is as great as it is simply because they have been returned from the puppy walkers to the training facility.

But that's only a guess - it is just as, if not more likely, because they require such special criteria and qualities that even within the same litter, not all dogs will have that - that is no different to litters of working, trialling, show puppies.

I can only summise from your posts that you think a dog should only ever be a pet, which I find quite strange as in their long association with man dogs have only very recently been pets and I have never seen dogs more fulfilled than when they are working.

Then we will agree to differ.  Showing dogs IMO is on a par with Miss World beauty pagents and mothers who traipse all over the counrty with toddlers entering them in baby competitions.  I can't find anything acceptable about it at all and I am absolutely entitled to my opinion.

I don't show - I work and compete with my dogs - I too have no interest in showing and cannot see it's attraction as a hobby, however, I don't think it is comparable with a beauty pageant.  I do believe there are dangers in breeding dogs for showing based soley on looks and in some breeds have led to exaggerations, but that can't be said for all breeds or even the majority of breeds.  It is the aim, for the most (cos there are always exceptions) to breed quality dogs with good structure etc.  That has got to be a good thing.
Originally, showing was not a hobby but a way of kennels displaying and exhibiting the best working dogs in the kennels for others to see.  I believe the gamekeepers ring at crufts predates Crufts.

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Suzieque, have you ever heard of the saying "you can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink"

A dog does have a choice, if it doesn't want to show it won't! However some dogs love being in the ring & they were born to do it

But the dog does not understand the reason why it is being shown nor anything about owner gratification, or trophies or ribbons and titles.  Nor that it improves in financial value if it receives certain show status recognition.  Under those terms the dog, in its ignorance and lack of understanding is being taken advantage of and exploited and I can't see anything  remotely honourable in that.

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I would say this is an 'Animal Rights' versus 'Animal Welfare' viewpoint.

I do not ascribe to the 'Animal Rights' viewpoint, no matter how much I love my dogs, but do strongly believe in 'Animal Welfare'.

Where dogs (and other animals) are concerned I believe every aspect of our interaction with them should be about both their Welfare AND their Rights.  Animals are not able to speak up for themselves so their rights and welfare are entrusted to us.  We, as human beings, are supposed to do right by them. 

>But the dog does not understand the reason why it is being shown nor anything about owner gratification, or trophies or ribbons and titles.

So what? It knows it's out with its owner all day, having fun, and not being cooped up indoors at home being part of the furniture.

>But the dog does not understand the reason why it is being shown nor anything about owner gratification, or trophies or ribbons and titles

Not showing, but working and no they don't understand the trophies or ribbons, but give them the choice of going for a walk with doggie pals and working, even on dummies, there is simply no competition, working would win hands down.

What gets me is the phrase "(S)he has gone to a really good home." I always ask if the dog did not have a good home BEFORE (s)he was given away!

I would NEVER, EVER part with a dog that I had decided to have as a puppy (bred here or bought in) but if the owner does not want to keep it, or has a genuine reason for being unable to keep the dog, (s)he will be better off with someone who has been looking for an older one and I believe that breed rescues are the best place to find an older dog or to help with rehoming one.

Jez my typing gets worse..

I think Heavens!! I THANK Heaven :-)

and so callously get discarded.    How do you know that to be the case?

  Showing dogs IMO is on a par with Miss World beauty pagents and mothers who traipse all over the counrty with toddlers entering them in baby competitions. eh hardly an even close comparison.

But why not work and train them in the sport they enjoy and leave it at that?  The trophies, ribbons and awards are not for the benefit of the dogs, they are for the benefit of the owners whose own self esteem is massaged in the process.

Also quite often when they retire from active duty the guided person may not be able to keep two dogs (when they need their next one and the present dog reaches retirement age) and they then move to another home for retirement.

You're quite right, that's often what happens but they've done their 'job', served their purpose and are then discarded.  Another example of man's exploitation I'm afraid.  Quite sad.

I can only summise from your posts that you think a dog should only ever be a pet, which I find quite strange as in their long association with man dogs have only very recently been pets and I have never seen dogs more fulfilled than when they are working.

NO, I don't think a dog should only ever be a pet but neither do I think when it has served it's purpose it should be disposed of on retirement. Nor do I think it should be used to win accolades for it's owner.  If a person wants accolades they should do something that receives recognition from their own talents and not use their dogs.

> You're quite right, that's often what happens but they've done their 'job', served their purpose and are then discarded.  Another example of man's exploitation I'm afraid.  Quite sad.

Susie I find that remark somewhat difficult to stomach. How on earth do you propose someone who is handicapped in one way or another who requires a dog to assist them to look after not only a retired working dog and also their current working dog? Some people just may not have the ability to do that, in which case it would be cruel to leave the dog in their care. If they live with a family who can assist and keep the retired dog going then no issue but not everyone is lucky enough to be in that situation.

I also don't agree with your views on show dogs, mine are first and foremost pets, and they go out on all kinds of walks and recently i've been calling them my swamp monsters. I love shows and so do my boys in that its a great day out for all of us.

I don't personally agree with people who move on ex show/working dogs just so they can breed more pups to further their lines. I know people who do it and I don't know how they do it. To hand over a much loved pet would break my heart, but again it depends on how they view dogs, whether they are a commodity or a loved pet.
Some elderly dogs don't like pups and just want a quiet life, so on the flip side being given a new home in a very quiet environment may suit them better?

> You're quite right, that's often what happens but they've done their 'job', served their purpose and are then discarded.  Another example of man's exploitation I'm afraid.  Quite sad.

They are not discarded they are offered a loving home where they can be at their ease.

The breeder or owner is taking responsibility for homing these dogs, not dumping them on rescues as so many supposedly loving pet owners so often do.

I could understand your viewpoint if dogs that 'had served their purpose' in whatever sphere (like many racing Greyhounds and ex puppy farm breeding stock for example) were killed.  That is purely exploitation, not a change of career/home.

> But the dog does not understand the reason why it is being shown nor anything about owner gratification, or trophies or ribbons and titles.  Nor that it improves in financial value if it receives certain show status recognition.

Right well lets start with ribbons & reasons, my boy knows exactly why he's being shown, because he loves it & charges round the ring holding on to the ribbon HE has won in his mouth & very proudly so, win or loose he leaps about in excitement going in & out of the ring. Maybe you need to attend a dog show to see how much they enjoy working for their owners?

Not sure what world you live in but in my real world my boy, in financal value, is worth nothing, he's not a stud, even though he's very succesful! He's worth everything to me but diddly squat to anybody else, maybe in other counties people sell on a winning dog but not in the UK, maybe a dog after winning a title they may pop up £50 in stud fee but thats about it!

Does a guide dog understand the reason why it's doing what it's doing? No it's just trained to do that, does a dog fully understand why we walk them? why we bath them? why we feed them from a bowl? why we teach them to not pull on the lead?

You have a very poor view of the showing world & you really ought to meet some dogs who are shown & see how happy they are in & out of the ring.

>Nor do I think it should be used to win accolades for it's owner.  If a person wants accolades they should do something that receives >recognition from their own talents and not use their dogs.

I think you have a very prejudiced and blinkered view of competing with dogs and little idea of why the vast majority take part.  Yes, there are the few for whom winning is the end goal, but for most that is not the case.  It is the taking part that is the enjoyment (both for owner and dog), working towards having an even better relationship and working partnership with your dog and any prizes are simply a recognition and a lovely end to a great day, but it makes no difference if we're not in the cards.  For some, there isn't even a competitive element, they are simply a means of assessing the dog and see what needs to be worked on. 

And stop putting your kids in school sports day.... lord knows we shouldn't enjoy the sin of pride.

Just remembered why I've got you on ignore.

You have a very poor view of the showing world

I would agree with you 100%.   

> I would agree with you 100%.   

Have you ever taken part, or attended shows (Conformation, Obedience, Agility) with an open mind?

working towards having an even better relationship and working partnership with your dog

involves the bonding and training.  It doesn't have to end in 'competition' and prize winning.  Surely the 'reward' to both the owner and dog is all the input along the way and the close partnership achieved and not a ribbon or rosette.

> working towards having an even better relationship and working partnership with your dog
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> involves the bonding and training.  It doesn't have to end in 'competition' and prize winning.  Surely the 'reward' to both the owner and dog is all the input along the way and the close partnership achieved and not a ribbon or rosette.

You're right and I have a fantastic bond with Razzle, we bonded & trained & what better way to show that off to the world! The rosette is just an added bonus that he gets to play with (safety pin removed of course)

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There are people who have pets & they show their pets & thats it but then there are people who own dogs that they show, for some people it is their life, each weekend is going to the next dog show, and is it fair to leave the dogs that don't make the grade at home each weekend? No, so the best thing for the dog is to find them a home where they become the pet that someone always wanted & they become spoilt rotten & truely loved by some one or a family, cold hearted would be leaving them at home each weekend whilst the other dogs go for their weekend away.

My reply to your statement was "far better to take both or all dogs out for a ramble in the woods and let them be what they are - dogs"

I was not inferring that people who show their dogs don't do this merely offering another option to the ones you offered Gemma86!  One dog doesn't have to be left at home, nor re-homed because the owner is out each weekend showing other dogs.  The owner  could of course selflessly give up showing and keep both or all of the dogs they have committed to!

> The owner  could of course selflessly give up showing and keep both or all of the dogs they have committed to!

I show on the weekends but we go for our walks in the woods & on the beach during the weekdays!

Dogs that can not work sheep are not kept at the farm as a family pet, do you think this is also wrong?

>You're quite right, that's often what happens but they've done their 'job', served their purpose and are then discarded.  Another example of man's exploitation I'm afraid.

They're not 'discarded' at all! They remain in the same ownership all their lives, but happen to live elsewhere at certain stages, as I'm sure we all have too.

A dog should live in the environment best suited to it - and that may not be with its current owner but be better provided by someone else. Anything else is selfish and unfair.

Have you ever taken part, or attended shows (Conformation, Obedience, Agility) with an open mind?

Attended yes.  Trained and worked my dogs in obedience, working trials and agility for years but would NEVER compete with them.  Attended 'shows' with friends who have an interest in it and found them unpalatable.

It is not for me.  I do not believe animals were put on this earth to serve man so it does not sit comfortably with my conscience.  In addition,  and as the OP said at the very beginning there is an element of cold heartedness the way dogs who don't make the grade in both showing and competitve sport are discarded and re-homed.  You can say they ensure the dog is placed in a 'good' home but the suffering the dog endures through this process is heartbreaking.  I have seen too much of it in my line of work and if people could only see and appreciate the pain, bewilderment and trauma that dogs experience as a result they may have second thoughts about doing it.

There isn't really anything more I can add.  As I said before, it is a point on which we will differ.  Just as many here get very upset at the use of ecollars, i get just as upset at dogs being used to serve other people's ends and then 're-homed' when no longer fit for their owners purpose.  I cannot find anything to justify it.  Dogs are not commodities, they are living, breathing, feeling animals are derseve more consideration and respect than they get from some quarters.  It is a state of mind I am very happy to be guilty of!

> I do not believe animals were put on this earth to serve man

Riiiiiiiight ok, so your dogs arent serving you when doing obedience or agility?

>involves the bonding and training.  It doesn't have to end in 'competition' and prize winning.  Surely the 'reward' to both the owner >and dog is all the input along the way and the close partnership achieved and not a ribbon or rosette.

It doesn't end in a ribbon or rossette - it just seems to be you are determined to believe it does because it suits your point of view!
Oh well!!!

> You can say they ensure the dog is placed in a 'good' home but the suffering the dog endures through this process is heartbreaking.

What suffering are these dogs enduring then?
You appear to be tarring the same brush to all show people. What are these dogs doing when in the ring, obeying their owners(not all the time as they often mess about causing much amusement to most), the move about and stand still and show that they can be examined without causing any fuss. How is that causing a dog to suffer? People who have more than 1 dog but only show 1 dog at a time, how can you say the dog not being shown is at a loss? You are assuming that the dogs now being shown are left all day on their own, who is to say rthat the owner hasn't taken them to the show or even left them behind with another family member.
As for not making the grade, out of all that show you'll find that it is a very small minority that will rehome or even rehome the oldies in their retirement years. I've not done it, nor could I ever do it unless it was needed for a dogs welfare.

Showing isn't every weekend for most, for me its once a month if I even can afford to do that. The rest of the time they are dogs, even being shown they are dogs, if they don't want to show they won't.

The above also applies to anyone competing in any varying form.
What about training sessions you go to? Vary rarely would you take all of your dogs to a session each week. Some have to be left behind

No they are not serving me.  I did it because it served them.  The sports answered their breed specific temperaments, drives and needs.

>I do not believe animals were put on this earth to serve man so it does not sit comfortably with my conscience.

So you haven't trained your dogs to fit in with your personal chosen lifestyle, then? A lifestyle that they've had no choice in selecting, but have had foisted upon them?

> I do not believe animals were put on this earth to serve man so it does not sit comfortably with my conscience.

Unfortunately, guide dogs would fall into this statement and police/army dogs.  Farm dogs, gun dogs it goes on.  Oh and Huskies, if they doen't do there instinct job they get very ancy, they enjoy it and need a human to harness their enthusiasm.

However you look at it dogs serve people either with love and affection or working.  I would rather have a trained serving dog than one that bites me.  Animal in the home have to be under human rule.

As for rehoming, why not.  You either have lots of dogs running around and maybe unable to support them all financially or they no longer have to work for those dreaded humans so can be served by us (not).  You could look at it that they have been taken away from the drudgery of showing and breeding.  You can rescue it or accept that dogs do need to move if the owner has a large kennel.  I know one breeder who had 35 dogs, all stayed with her until their final days, now she has a smaller kennel and does move dogs on to good selected homes, maily friends where she can keep an eye on them.

If you can't rehome your dogs through whatever belief/reason stick to a small kennel and be prepared not to be 'famous'.  I couldn't rehome unless absolutely needed, so my dogs will never go above six no matter how good a pup i might one day produce.  But then again, i might end up eating my words.

> I do not believe animals were put on this earth to serve man so it does not sit comfortably with my conscience.

How bizarre - what do you think a pet is doing if not fulfilling the desires of it's owner?  People don't have a pet out of some sense of duty because they need looking after, they have them because they want one, want the companionship etc - so the pet is serving and fulfilling the needs of the owner.

> The sports answered their breed specific temperaments, drives and needs

And their breed specific drives & needs were what exactly? Something that possibly served man? Like all breeds!

>what do you think a pet is doing if not fulfilling the desires of it's owner?

Undoubtedly keeping a dog in the first place is purely for owner gratification - it's serving the human being in some form or other, even if it's simply for companionship.

>My reply to your statement was "far better to take both or all dogs out for a ramble in the woods and let them be what they are - dogs"

I take my dogs out in the woods. It's not the first time they have come back covered in wasps, or so badly cut by hidden barbed wire, or kicked by deer, or....taking them out for a ramble in the woods is dangerous ;-) Dog showing isn't. Yes, my dogs love being out in the woods/fields, but they also enjoy the show ring. Those that don't stay at home. You should see the sad faces when I leave them behind. I can't take them all with me, I have too many. If I thought that they would be happier in a different home I would let them go. I am not abandoning them, just thinking of their welfare. Oh, by the way, they are not left at home on their own. A family member is normally at home with them.

I have a gundog breed that is regularly worked in the field. Some show champions are also taken and worked in field trials. Surely these are competitions? The owners are doing this to show just how good their dogs can do the job they were bred for. The owners also want people to see how nice their dogs look in the show ring, so what's wrong with that? the old adage "It's not the winning that counts, it's the taking part that's important" is how most show people ook at the show world.Yes, there are those few, and they are few, that winning is the be all and end all, but not the majority of us. We go to meet up with friends that we only see at shows, and to 'ooh' and 'aah' over their new puppy :-D

> You can say they ensure the dog is placed in a 'good' home but the suffering the dog endures through this process is heartbreaking. I have seen too much of it in my line of work and if people could only see and appreciate the pain, bewilderment and trauma that dogs experience as a result they may have second thoughts about doing it.
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I don't show or breed but I have taken on a Doberman from someone who's physical health took a turn for the worse so they were unable to offer what the dog needed.  Dobermans are a sensitive breed but she was in no way traumatised in the way you describe.  Sure she cried the first night but after that she was too busy lapping up the extra attention, exercise and companionship of my other dogs.

What's a day or two of uncertainty weighed against years of enjoyment in a better home? It's probably less stressful than going into kennels for the holidays.

Should no-one take on rescue dogs in case the settling in period is too stressful?  What would then happen to these dogs?

You say in rescue you have seen dogs like this but in reality this behaviour is probably due to cruelty, neglect and lack of socialisation.  A dog that has been loved, trained and socialised should have few problems adjusting to a similar environment. 

> I do not believe animals were put on this earth to serve man

Then to be honest you should not own dogs or any domestic animal, as these are all man made creations.