so am i right in thinking the visiting in season bitch was there to be mated with the dog with a less than perfect history?!!!

The in season bitch apparently belonged to the little girl's Aunty, so I presume it was staying there for one reason, to be mated. Otherwise don't you normally go out of your way to seperate the bitch COMPLETELY from entire males, not take them to someone elses home and leave them there?

To be mated with a dog of the same breed with a less than perfect history, or perhaps with their entire German Shepherd male dog.
Perhaps they were hoping for a new "Rare Breed" of dog, a Bordeaux Shepherd? to sell for a ridiculous price of £1,500 each, to silly idiots such as they are.

If they can't keep children seperate from "aggressive" dogs, how are on earth do they keep seperate an in season bitch from 2 entire male dogs?

Can I just ask as I may well have missed it somewhere, but how do we know the dogs were entire? They were trying to rid themselves of the dog so it seems strange that they would then bring in a bitch to mate with it and also have an entire GSD on the same premises too where an accident could happen or a fight break out betwen two entire large breed males when a bitch were in house at the same time.

Is it possible that both males were actually neutered and that was the reason the bitch was there as maybe the owner of the bitch had an entire male?

Just throwing it out there, as not spotted anywhere that it says the dogs were entire?

Can I just ask as I may well have missed it somewhere, but how do we know the dogs were entire? They were trying to rid themselves of the dog so it seems strange that they would then bring in a bitch to mate with it and also have an entire GSD on the same premises too where an accident could happen or a fight break out betwen two entire large breed males when a bitch were in house at the same time.

Is it possible that both males were actually neutered and that was the reason the bitch was there as maybe the owner of the bitch had an entire male?

Just throwing it out there, as not spotted anywhere that it says the dogs were entire?

Thank you Carrington...A little sense in such a which hunt !! Talk about chinese whispers? some of you would have him hung at dawn just on the "evidence" of the tabloid press!! I cannot believe it.
Aileen

> Gareth even phoned Battersea Dogs' Home but they told him he would have to pay £180 to get it taken away.

A Scott Craddock from Battersea dogs home states that they would have taken the dog as an urgent case and would have only asked for a donation of £50. He also states that he could find no record of a request being made to the Home regarding this dog.
Obviously the whole truth is not being told.

Someone said on another forum that Battersea only charge £60 to take in a dog and that they have no record of him ever phoning. I think we are only hearing half a story here.
To be fair i would have though even with neutered dogs an entire botch in season in the house would have a profound effect. My Neutered male became very randy when my bitch was in season and he has never had any experience with bitches in season before and has never mounted anything in him life before. He also became very funny with other dogs outside. I can imagine even if he wasn't entire, the upset in his household would stress him out enough to change his behaviour.
Opps posted at the same time!

***Thank you Carrington...A little sense in such a which hunt !! Talk about chinese whispers? some of you would have him hung at dawn just on the "evidence" of the tabloid press!! I cannot believe it.***Aileen

And just who is doing the "Witch Hunt"? (which?)
When this was first reported in the newspapers it stated both male dogs were "entire", the article has since been updated to focus more about the child. If you care to read some of the first comments on DM, they too are saying the same thing about the dogs. I have also heard the same as roscoebabe has just posted. Perhaps it's a lie that the father didn't stab the dog to death too? Perhaps the papers made that up too.

What kind of parent puts their baby through unnecessary pain by having their ears pierced and made to wear largish hooped earrings that damn well hurt when caught in something? ear studs are bad enough for a baby to wear, but hooped earrings? Photo of the little girl on DM.

I have been a member of this Forum for 8 years now but stopped posting ages ago because if you're not posting every 5 minutes 24/7 like alot on here, when you do post you just get pulled apart, and it appears that if you've got 2 red stars and not 4 or 5, you're classed as a senseless witch.
I'm entitled to my opinion and you're entitled to yours on this matter.

And yes, this Father does need to be "Hung at dawn", for knifing to death a dog, for something the dog had done through his own sheer neglect and stupidity.
He is no more than a murderer, the little girl was safe at the time he took the kitchen knife to the dog.

The fact is this dog had bitten a week previously and regardless of the vet not wishing to put it to sleep etc... the fact still remains that the father ALLOWED it into the child's bedroom and then turned their back on that dog, I would say 'one second' being a bit of a dramatisation.

How can you say ANY of that is a fact without having been there? Is everything printed in the newspapers fact? If so all Cavaliers also have brains too large for their skulls for a start..........

if I thought my dog was so dangerous I wanted to have her put down and i really couldn't afford to have vet do it and couldn't find a charity to do it the dog would not be in the house with children. would be in bolted shut room in house inaccessable to children until I could find someway of having dog put down. sure as hell would not be anywhere near kids.

SashaKameo, my comments were not directed just at you, I am just as entitled to my opinion as you are and if you do not like it well that is fine by me. I like my evidence to be from a reliable source and IMO the tabloid press is not reliable. Niether do I steriotype people for the ways they dress or look, I deal with huge varieties every day in my job and give everyone the chance to show me what they are like before I judge them. Appearanced can be deceptive.
I still stand by my comments. We are very very quick on this forum at times to condem the owners and make every excuse in the book to make the dog as white as snow...sometimes we all make mistakes and without the full story I think it wrong to "make up" our own versions. As for the statement that they were just out to make a quick buck from breeding these dogs, what proof do you have to say this..it is nothing but slander!
Aileen

While i think what the father did to the dog after the attack is just horrific and must have been awlful for neighbours that witnessed it, i cant help but think also this man should not be condemned totally for his actions.
How could any of us say honestly that we would not in some way retaliate against someone (be it animal or human) for causing such pain and harm to our children. It is seen all the time - paedophiles that live in the community get hounded, muderers in prison get beaten up. It is our nature to protect our own at any cost but sometimes the protection comes too late as did with this little girl.
If this father had witnessed another human being attacking his daughter and he then attacked the attacker would we all not say 'i would have done the same'?? and the father would have been on manslaughter charge but perhaps given what he had just seen a sentance of minimal amount cast.
Who can imagine the rage, anger, distress and torture that that father felt and often those emotions overide what we would do in hindsight. If i saw my daughter get horrifically attacked i could not 100% say that i would have not wanted revenge on the dog all be it the wrong, it certainly wouldn't be a thought out decision to stab the dog but in those situations surely you dont think straight.

It will be long recovery for the little girl but i suspect it wont be easy for the father either when he reflects back on the events.

> Thank you Carrington...A little sense in such a which hunt !! Talk about chinese whispers? some of you would have him hung at dawn just on the "evidence" of the tabloid press!! I cannot believe it.
> Aileen

Yes it is becoming like a witch hunt with lots of "speculation" and differing stories from different newspapers. I also cannot believe that someone has made comments about the daughter wearing earrings??? What on earth has that got to do with what sort of people they are?
I would not have my childrens ears pierced but I certainly do not look down on people who choose to

Marianne, here you go again, sorry, not biting. lol

Lorripop, I agree, but those other acts of violence wouldn't necessarily have been preventable. Sadly this was.

Nothing to bite at, TheMutts. Marianne is pointing out that we know that you can't believe all you read in the papers.

Merlot, if you had read my posts correctly you will see that I stated that you are entitled to your opinions (aren't we all?), I don't expect you to change them just for me, likewise my opinions.  I also said that Perhaps they intended to breed with the bitch in season, NOT that they were, in any case whether the male dogs were entire (as first stated) or not, I wouldn't have thought it was good practice to let a bitch in season (especially when it isn't your own and not normally in that house) stay in the same house as an allegedly aggressive male dog, plus 2 young children. Also, to add that when I did look on this Forum once, there was alot of talk about people cross-breeding dogs, calling them a "rare breed" and charging a vast sum of money for the pups, it was more of a joke if anything, a Bordeaux Shepherd.

In your post of 25.0310 16:45 you state:-

"This man had turned to his vet for help, asked for the dog to be PTS as it had bitten and was refused. He tried rescue who told him they could not rehome as temperament was suspect, He had muzzled the dog most of the time and the one moment he turned away disaster struck"

So, as you like your evidence to be from a reliable source (your own statement) where did you obtain this from? The Tabloid Press, that are so unreliable? One rule for one, and another rule for the others.

I do not have a problem with people wearing earrings, they can wear as many as they like, it is their choice and I don't think bad of them, but when they inflict them on babies who have no say in the matter, it's different. I do not work in an A & E department, but I have seen young children in a considerable amount of pain and anguish because the piercing has turned septic.
Regards, Sue

I personally believe very little that is written in the press so unless any of us know the family personally we are all speculating. At the end of the day no one can change what has happened but there are lessons to be learned, perhaps this family didn't realise that an in season bitch could have this effect or perhaps the dog turned for no reason etc etc etc none of us really know and we could speculate forever but it won't help this poor little girl, her family or the dogs.

Marianne is pointing out that we know that you can't believe all you read in the papers.

Thank you, exactly. I used the Cavalier parallel as this is a dog forum, I might as well have said if we are to believe everything the papers say we should also believe Michael Jackson is still alive. :) NONE of us knows the absolute truth about this case.

I'm surprised these things don't happen more often. I visit lots of families that have two or three large breed dogs that never go further than the back yard. Small children are allowed to jump all over them, pull their ears and even ride on them and the parents just don't see the danger.

I see a family with a male and female staffy. She has a litter every season :-(  and from birth neighbours, friends and children are allowed to handle the puppies. They also have four small children that pull the puppies all over the place. You would have to see it to believe it. 

I have tried to educate these people but their dogs love the kids!

Flora2 that is very sad :-(

I know, but its real life in most towns. Its just that most people dont see it :-(

my thoughts exactly..........a terrible situation but once again completely avoidable if handled responsibly.

I simply dont believe he couldn't get it euthanised previously.....total rubbish.

Poor dog and poor girl.......no sympathy for the owner....harsh yes but all his own doing :(

We will never know the real story either, these are just my thoughts on what info we have been given.

I see a family with a male and female staffy. She has a litter every season   and from birth neighbours, friends and children are allowed to handle the puppies. They also have four small children that pull the puppies all over the place. You would have to see it to believe it. 

Thats awful :-(
Staffords are loyal and trusting dogs, why do sooo many poeple abuse this strong trust that isnt found in many dogs???

What makes me think here is the fact that they allowed a big dog that the family found aggressive, and that has bitten before, into a toddler's bedroom? That seems very strange to me...

However, assuming for the moment that they have taken the dog to the vets asking for it to be put to sleep, can the vets really refuse to do that? I also wonder that if the family was so concerned about their children's safety, how could they take the dog back home? I'm not experienced with this, but what would've happened if the vet refused to put the dog down, but then the owner refuses to take the dog home because they are too concerned about their child's safety?

If the police is called (possibly by the owner), would they take the dog away? Or leave it where it is? Or charge the owner? Does anyone know? Does a rescue center always charge for picking up a dog from the owner? If the owner has no money and the other option would be that the dog is tied to a lampost to avoid charges, would they not come out free of charge?

I'm not judging anyone here, I'm just curious....