>we have english springers and we hve welsh springers. We have german shepherds, belgian shepherds, australian shepherds

Yes, they're different breeds with different standards. Those are the correct names. :-)

> and english shepherds

No, we don't.

>Is it so surprising therefore that someone who doesn't show might call a cocker an english cocker when referring to them in relation to the american cocker

No, everyone's entitled to make mistakes. Usually people are happy and willing to learn.

>do you point mistakes out to everyone you speak to to make them feel stupid?!

No, mistakes are corrected so that people don't need to feel stupid.

Actually we do have english shepherds in this country, i've met them, they are imported and so not on the kc reg as there are only 2 adults in the country  (called adam and eve) and they had a litter last year. That is however their correct name, english shepherds. http://www.englishshepherd.org/
I have an Australian kelpie, they are not a recognised breed but that is their name regardless.
I appreciate that we need to learn, but tbh i really don't care if the correct term is english or just cocker spaniel, it was just a descriptive term, people knew what it meant, and i will continue to use it when referring to the difference between them and american cocker spaniels. I don't mind learning but the way i was told was said to make me feel stupid as i don't appreciate that, no body is perfect. Thanks boody i'm certainly feeling picked on!

>gwen has admitted on here that she calls them the same thing

To be fair, Gwen did go on to say that it's mostly around the American Cocker ring that the word 'American' is dropped and 'English' used. Time and place.

>i will continue to use it when referring to the difference between them and american cocker spaniels.

That's your prerogative. :-)

Thank you, my perception was that in the statement i was making it was the right time and place. We shall just have to aggree to disagree.

ive seen them advertised for £850!

>It's a bit of a Yankee owner thing, I am afraid, because we get used to talking about our American Cockers with American/Candaian friends and fans of the breed, y ou get inot the habit of calling "Cockers" "English Cockers " to differentiate, as if you just say Cocker they assume Yankee!  So mostly, around the American Cocker rings you will hear them referred to in that way.

I meant it the same way as Gwen - nearly all my fellow American cocker owner friends are people from an American based forum, so they are just 'cockers' to them, and what most English people call 'cockers' I call English cockers to differentiate. I don't see any harm in it. I might as well call the Charlies English Toy Spaniels, that's the US name. :-)

>nearly all my fellow American cocker owner friends are people from an American based forum, so they are just 'cockers' to them, and what most English people call 'cockers' I call English cockers to differentiate.

As I say, there's a time and a place. On a US-based forum one would use US terms, on a UK-based forum one would use UK terms. :-)

> As I say, there's a time and a place. On a US-based forum one would use US terms, on a UK-based forum one would use UK terms. :-)

this is going way off topic... lucyandmeg has heart the explination of why they are cockers and american cockers, can we now leave it? what is the point of continuing this?

I have a dog like that...always has to have the last woof :-)

>what is the point of continuing this?

Explaining the different terminology - and why the different terminology is used - explains why some people are surprised when their cocker/poodle cross doesn't look like the pictures they saw on the net; because the poodles have been crossed with a different breed.

> have a dog like that...always has to have the last woof :-)
>

lol

> Explaining the different terminology - and why the different terminology is used - explains why some people are surprised when their cocker/poodle cross doesn't look like the pictures they saw on the net; because the poodles have been crossed with a different breed.

true, but i think that was established a wee while back in this thread...