Sorry...should be MEA CULPA! Obviously been watching too much MAMA MIA!

Vets are often the last place one should seek breed specific advise from! Breed clubs and KNOWLEDGABLE breeders should be the basis of any intentions to breed. There are far too many poorly thought out and badly planned litters causing mayhem in rescue centres now! Even knowledgable breeders are finding puppy sales slow due to the vast amount being bred(not by them I hasten!) The economic downturn is affecting everyone in everyway!

Kiera, are you a mamber of any breed clubs? If not, joining is the very first thing you need to do if you want specific advice about what's involved in being a reputable breeder (which of course you want to be) of your breed.

mamber? a triad of snakes? surely not! LOL soz JG I couldn't resist it I apologise most sincerely!:-p

Kiera, your vet is not the best person to ask about health checks, your breed club and the KC is the place to ask. Vets are trained to cure health problems in dogs and other animals they are not into the requirements of breeding, in fact most are totally against it.

Ask the breeder of your bitch and ask the breed club for advice about your breeds health checks and ethical requirements and having asked do it, all of it, don't just pick and choose and then make sure that not only do the breed lines of the dog you choose suit your bitches lines and that you are not doubling up on any unwanted traits or health problems but ask to see all the health results for the stud and make sure these are satisfactory and complete.

Should the bitch and the chosen stud share ancestors in the last 5 generations then pay particular attention to their health, conformation and temperament because what ever they are passing down will be doubled in the chance of being passed on to the pups. If they are alive go and take a good hard look at them. Then go and look at the pups the stud has produced and see what he is throwing.

> I no you're going to say its irrasponsable etc, but they're not essental (so I've been told!)

Well you are correct in one thing - YOU ARE IRRESPONSIBLE  To be breeding without having done these tests - who told you they are not essential - another greedy breeder?

I get very angry when people like you come here, ask questions - and cynically try to advertise a potential litter - and take no notice of the good advice that you get here.

Those of us who post on here are passionate about good breeding of our dogs - only breeding from the best of them - and only when we ourselves wish to keep a puppy - and people like you who have £ signs in front of their eyes are not viewed with favour.   We all of us own what we consider to be wonderful dogs - happy, well natured, beautiful specimens.   BUT THEY MAY NOT NECESSARILY BE THE BEST OF THE BREED.   And much as we would love to have puppies, we desist.

But why the hell am I talking to you?   You're going to do it anyway, aren't you?   Regardless of what people think!    I'm not going to wish you the bad luck that some people who have carefully planned a litter have gone through - losing the dam and puppies, or having the heartbreak of watching puppies die, one by one, for no apparent reason - that's what you deserve though.  

I cant belive u posted that!Im shocked lol! U think I deserve to lose my dog n puppies-what kind of a dog lover r u? Get ova yourself, its my first time breeding-my dogs are fit and healthy-vet checked,hip scored n vw tested- I'll be looking into these other tests - give me a break!

Thanx for this valuable info - but my dogs arent kc reg, well my males dam was known to the kc but the shire cldnt be traced, Do People on here honestly think only pedigree kc dogs sld be bread?

> I'll be asking my vet about these other tests-he has never mentioned to me

Vets are not experts in genetics or canine health testing, they treat animal illnesses, so unless your vet specialises in a particular illness or is a breeder they know little more than the basics of taking an x-ray for the BVA hip and elbow schemes.

YOU tell me to "get ova myself"?     Let me tell you, madam, I care more about the health and wellbeing of your dog and any potential puppies that she might have, then you appear to do!   You'll look into these tests?   When?    After the litter is on the ground?

You may say you are shocked - but not half as shocked as the majority of posters who have taken the trouble to give you good advice - nicely - which you have chosen to ignore/swipe to one side.   You say you are breeding your first litter - all of us have to start somewhere but please take the advice you have been given - FORGET about this season, find yourself a mentor in your breed who will advise you about the suitability of your dog/bitch as potential breeding partners.   LEARN more about what is involved.   Have you ever whelped a litter?

Think about it.   You would gain our respect if you were to do such a thing!

Do People on here honestly think only pedigree kc dogs sld be bread

In words of one syllable - YES.   

both my dogs are hipscored, I have two mentors,I will email them now - but last time I spoke to them they only mentioned hipscoring and vw testing (They are both clear) I gotta headache from all this!

>my dogs arent kc reg, well my males dam was known to the kc but the shire cldnt be traced

So you have absolutely no idea of half the pedigree?

Honestly, forget the whole idea of breeding them. Unregisterable (possibly crossbred) dogs are of no use to the future of breed, and virtually worthless from a mercenary point of view.

Enjoy your dogs as the lovely pets they are, and keep them that way.