congrats on your litter, i just hope my scan for my bitch was wrong and she is pregnant.

Hi again, so glad to hear she has put her half ounce back on.  It is normal to lose a little, or maintain birth weight for the first day, but I always hate it.  Even a small weight gain is a big step in the right direction.  You will often find that even when all the nipples or OK for size some pups will pick a favourite and not want to feed from any other.  This is why supervising all feeds and regular weighing is so important, so you can keep track of all feeds andmake sure veryone gets all they need.  Some pups do tend to curl up to sleep, while others stretch right out.  As long as she is feeding and is not crying I don't think you need worry - is Mum cleaning them or are you helping?  Is she pooing OK?  Usually if they have colic or are constipated they vocalise it quite clearly.

On the subject of who to keep - lots to think about here.  It all depends on if you are planning to show - no point in fixating on a boy if one of the girls is way better, and much too soon to say yet. Then if you are sure you want an Apricot, and colour is your big consideration, how can you tell yet who, if any, are going to be apricot?  pups colours change enormously between birth and 8 weeks, and can keep changing for a few weeks after that. Next, are you  prepared for keeping Mother and son apart later on, if you keep a boy?  With my bunch the girls and boys all live together without any problem, with Pugs I find that keeping 2 of the same sex or keeping opposite sexes  is not a problem.

Hi Gwen, so glad you are back!
mum is methodically cleaning them all. They are absolutely silent! i think she is doing a great job. She is not eating much and likes the idea of going in the garden till you go out and she realises she cant see the pups and runs straight back to them.
my little one will only feed off the back nipple. She just seems to struggle to get her mouth right. i am still worried she may have a slight cleft palate. Not bad but i will get the vet to check her on Tuesday when i go but for now she is eating every hour to two hours and seems to be very round and warm so a good sign. None of them are crying but when they do mum kicks into action!

All the pups are booked now to my favourite owners! I have said colours are not guarenteed at this stage we will see how they turn out. The boy is ginger on his head and hocks so he is the only one i am sure will be apricot.

After that labour i will be speying my girl. She just didnt contract once and it was horrific. her tail hasnt curled since which is sad to see. i am so proud of her mothering though.

Really appreciate your experience on this.

Good to hear your little one is putting on weight! Re the owner questions, don't feel you have to make any decisions until they are older, both because you can see the personalities developing, and because you don't want to be making major decisions while you are still sleep deprived and can't think straight! :-)

her tail hasnt curled since which is sad to see.

I don't know anything about this breed, is this normal, will it curl again?

Hi cocopop, in the rare occassions that this breed is sad or anxious or just unhappy they uncurl their tale. whilst she is doing a fab job i think the csection and the newness of the situation is making her a little anxious and she is probably sore and tired too.

I am hopeful she will get the spring in her step again soon :(

I would never take a deposit for pups as it has been said if you take a deposit you then must sell to the person even if you change your mind, and I want to be able to decide for myself. A lot can come up about puppy buyers in a few weeks. I also would not promise anyone anything until the pups were a bit older as when they are newborn you can't be CERTAIN they will all survive. I also don't pick mine until 6 weeks. :)

It worried me at first that Miley's tail uncurled when she ran but now I know it uncurls when she is happy, excited, submissive, usually to our Boxers and when she relaxed and asleep. I am sure when Peppa starts to feel better and isn't sore or exhausted any more it will curl beautifully again! :)
Trish

I dont tell people which puppy is thiers until I know which one I want to keep if any or who's personality will suit each family, I send group pics from day 1 and as they grow then when I have made up my mind I send individual pics.Most people I have found are happy to just know they are having a puppy.

thanks starry, that is exactly what i have done. I have called the three favourite vetted people today and confirmed their interest. I have sent them all group photos and said we will meet in 4 weeks to view the litter and go from there.

It is a relief that the people i have spent speaking to and vetting over the past few weeks are still here and committing now the babies have arrived. No body is 100% focussed on anything in particular beyond sex so should go smoothly.

Oh I think we would love to see a pic of the puppies to, is there anyway you could put a link on? there are lots of us dying to coo over the new puplets :-)

Hi

I am just not techi enough to do a link.

I have put a couple of photos on my CD page. Look under puppy litters. Wiltshire, due on Jan 21st and there she is. The photos arent the best as she was still in labour in one and just home from csection in the other.

I am sure more glamerous ones to come.

Awww thanks for that peppapug, will go have a look :-)

Help what am I doing wrong, I've looked for breeders in Wiltshire and cant find any, will go back and look again.

Hi peppapug,

I have followed your little girls story all week and just want to add my congratulations! So glad it all went reasonably well in the end, and look forward to a good nights sleep in approx 8 weeks time!!!!!

mel.x

So glad it all went reasonably well in the end, and look forward to a good nights sleep in approx 8 weeks time!!!!!

Now if you have nothing nice to say, say nothing at all!!! .........joking! I am craving sleep.

The pups are angelic and i am ensuring they feed every two hours. i havent heard a cry all day. Mum is fast asleep with them all feeding in a row.....how come she gets to sleep!

i wish i could post photos on here, i have just taken one which shows the huge size difference between the biggest and smallest.

Have you got heat on them ?   if they are warm they usually lie flat out but tend to curl up if cold

Hi Peppapug,  don't worry too much about a possible cleft, if she has gained weight and is feeding without lots of milk coming down her nose, then even if she has a cleft it will only be a small one, and she should be fine, even if it does mean having to go on to bottle feeding.  Just keep monitoring progress and weight.  Pipsqueak had a small cleft, was bottle reared (actually did not want to wean he loved his bottle so much) and was half the size of litter mates.  He is now a very handsome 15 month old boy, my nephew shows him, and he has even won a toy group at open show level, as well as looks he is very fit, and is going to have a career in agility, we hope, having shown considerable apptitude and fitness on trial runs over agility courses.  Vets can be very un-positive about clefts, if you do discover one please feel free to ask for any advice you want.

Don't be too troubled about the difference in sizes - in my last litter we had the largest at over twice the birth weight of the smallest (3.25 oz smallest, 6.75 oz biggest).  I have found this breeds litters are very rarely even sized.  When I was talking about her 4 oz birth weight, and saying that under 4 oz can be a danger sign, it is just a matter of having to watch that little bit more, and in your girls case, it was the fact that she actually dropped to below 4.  At  just over 3 oz, a loss of a quarter ounce is a considerable percentage of total bodywieght, so immediate and consistent action is needed, which you took and it worked!!  :)  However, as long as she is steadily gaining you are definetly on the right track!

i think to post a link is quite easy-ill have a go at explaining as i want to see the cuties!!....you say you have posted the pics on part of CD- well if you go onto that page-as if you were a personlooking at the pics-then right click once on the web address(where you type in for another website) then scroll down to where it says either 'copy' or copy url address'. then once you have done that-come straight onto here and in your next message right click again and scroll down to 'paste' and hey presto you should of added the link!!! it really is easy!

Posting links to your own site or pictures is against the TOS I am afraid.

hi bowers, they all lie flat out like sausages on the heat pad. This girl curls up when you pick her up i notice. Perhaps it is a reaction to being removed from the heat. Good thought.

No photos guys i am afraid, TOS, which is a shame cause i have some dead cute ones!

People can always message you privately and you can email them the pics.

oops i didnt know that!!

> Oh and re: the feeding up, I let my mums eat as much as they want with no limts

I couldn't agree with this statement more.  People seem so surprised when I say a bitch has eaten 8 times in a day - but I am guided by them.  As soon as food is cleared, I put in a clean bowl of something else - and the dry feed is available ad lib.  I leave Royal Canin mini down all the time, right next to the whelping box.  I had a friend tell me that her Boxer bitch wouldn't eat - yet she expected her to leave the whelping area, and eat her food away from the litter.  I actually hold food under their chins and don't expect them to get up from their pups.

And quality is important too, not just quantity of food.  My girls have as much as they like, as well, with lots of Eukanubal puppy food, chicken, liver, fish, and at least one dish of goats milk per day.

I saw some photos of the pups! they are just beautiful little bundles of gorgeousness, mum looks so happy with them to, thankyou for that Amanda :-)

Been off CD all wknd so missed all the drama!! Congrats on your puppies & a big well done to your girl. Sorry to hear about the little girl but I guess the most important thing is the rest of the litter are doing well. Congratulations again! :)

Thanks!

Had a tough night. The pups are doing well and have each put on .5 oz. Consistent! The 1.5 hourly latch ons with the little one has really paid off and she is now travelling to mum and finding the nipple herself. So much stronger.

Mum has been the problem last night. she is pacing, panting and digging at her bed etc. I think she is in some pain and needs a "doggy parecetomol" - just waiting to hear back from the vet so i can pick some pain meds up. Her csection scar is fine but she doesnt want to lay out for the pups, she tentativley sits then i have to push her down to get them all on. She is still looking after them well though.

Can't find any breeders in Wiltshire either?

I can't either!

Pacing, panting and digging are perfectly normal for a few days even for bitches that had natural births, it's the puppies nursing causing the uterus to contract :-)

do you think they will give her some pain killers, she needs to sleep.......and so do i!

On the issue of breeders in Wiltshire, as they are all sold maybe it is no longer listed?

I have been told off by the administrators for my username and they have received complaints from people thinking i am advertising so may have been removed........i hope not i paid to be on here!!!

Username will be changing soon :(

> do you think they will give her some pain killers, she needs to sleep.......and so do i!

personally I wouldn't want her to have any painkillers, remember whatever she ingests passes on to the pups. As for the lack of sleep... I think they call that the joys of breeding ;-)

If you look under the owners of the OP breed, rather than breeders, you will find her page.HTH

Really, they told you off ! I thought that was the best name on here. Some people seem to have nothing better to do!

Where are pictures of the pups? Or was it a private post? :(

if you search through (edited the breed) the breed (which the owner can advise in PM) and then select owners rather than breeders you can see the pics. they are absolutely gorgeous!!

Why thank you!!! The pics arent great cause mum was still bloodied and not really with it.....

Just been to vets, the little one is thriving as are the others. Mum has loads of milk and was very tender underneath. They gave her a pain killer. I cant watch her suffer and the pups will be fine. She is already stretched out with them all cuddled up. She has been reluctant to lie out because of the pain.

Always a relief to have them checked.

Hi, have the vets given her an meds at all after the C section?  Problem with painkillers is that they cross to the milk, so you  would probably have to hand feed the litter for a few days till she was off the meds.  Also just had a thought, is she on antibiotics following the op?  If so, keep an eye on the pups poo, as it can casue little tummy upsets.

Hi Gwen,

They have given her Rimadol and said it wont affect the pups and antibiotics. I did ask would it cause a problem to the pups and she said not.......do you know otherwise, cause whilst i cant watch mum suffer like she was i equally dont want to hurt her babies!

Awww just seen pics of mum and babies - absolutely gorgeous.  :)

So, sorry she is on Metacam not rimadol!!! For those who think my vet has lost the plot.

Finally mum is resting, pups are fully fed and sleeping......time for my head to go down, night night x

TrishlovesMiley, Admin have asked for the breed not to be mentioned. 

Metacam made my puppies sleepy and had to hand feed and wean early so take care.

Thanks for that advice. I have phoned the vet since as it says on the bottle not to be given to pregnant or nursing bitches! Apparantly it is ok. She has had the injection today and i have a bottle of liquid. I will only give it to her if she really needs it, especially as the pups are doing so darn well!!!

Hi, is that just for usernames or in conversations etc too? It seems an odd request as it is basically a 'dog chat site'?

> Hi, is that just for usernames or in conversations etc too?

Anything that could be, rightly or wrongly, construed as advertising a litter.

I would check on their nails as they may already need trimming, this is a common reason for the Mums to be less keen on the pups nursing, especially if they have a C section scar too.

Digging and restlessness in the days after whelping are often due to the discomfort of the womb contracting, I remember it well and it was painful.

mum is really not feeling well. It seems like one big worry at the moment. The puppies are fine and thriving but mum seems down and not eating. The pain killer has calmed down the frantic pacing and allowed her to sleep but she sounds like her stomach is churning and she wont entertain food. I have cooked chicken breast, mince, tuna and she hasnt had a mouthful of anything.

She is looking after the pups amazingly well but with all that nursing i just want to see her eat.........any advice?