> plus why tell one buyer she had posted the documents off and then tell another that she did them a couple of weeks ago online? 

Because she may be feeling like a headless chicken and just wants you all to go away.  I think if she has been through something like loosing a son you have to be make allowances.  Did you suggest to her associate that she might sort the paperwork out for her?

yeah and the reply above is the one we got

So she did not reply specifically on the question as to why she was not doing it?

Sounds like your getting no where with the breeder and whoever spoke to you sounds rude. I would let the lawyer and trading standards deal with it all.

documents could have been sent off soon after the litter was born....

>documents could have been sent off soon after the litter was born....

It's not uncommon for breeders to wait a couple of weeks to see how many survive.

If she has just lost her son I have nothing but sympathy for her but how old are these puppies now? And after the reply you got from her associate about how they will all just be ruined pets and doesn't know why you need the papers I would let trading standards and your solicitor deal with them. What a stupid comment to make.

Can't understand why the pups were not registered before they were sent to their new homes that must be about 6 weeks ago, the sad loss would not at that time have taken place. As others have said it may be best to let the people from whom advice has been sort deal with it from now on. Why the partner in this breeding should find time to be rude and insulting to you but not the time to do the registering is a puzzle indeed.

I've been reading this thread from the beginning and it's obviously proving difficult to get the bottom of it all.

Is your 'complaint' time sensitive in any way ie do you have to report any irregularities within a certain time limit?  Are you considering rejecting the dog if it turns out that it isn't/can't/won't be registered?  If you don't need to act quickly then I'd suggest sending a sympathy card to the breeder with a handwritten note to tell her how the puppy is getting on and with a gentle reminder about the papers.
Then, whatever action you need to take in the future, you cannot be accused of being insensitive.  It would be better if she were on your side and there's no point creating bad will if it can be avoided.

It may well turn out that the your worst fears are realised but at least you will know that you acted with grace.  Then you can bring the legal heavies in with a clear conscience that you did everything 'by the book' as it were!!

Good luck

Hi there

The pups are just comming up to 12 weeks.  I did send the lady an email sending our sympothies and a gentle remider and got a read receipt from it but still no response.  I would never reject the dog as we have built up the bond with her now, however do think when we have both spent so much time getting to know the breeder and the pups etc and trying to make sure everything is above board, we should be entitled to what was promised and what was advertised.

The pups are now 12 weeks and her son allegedly died 5 weeks ago surely at 7 weeks the dogs should have been registerd? 

> The pups are now 12 weeks and her son allegedly died 5 weeks ago surely at 7 weeks the dogs should have been registerd? 

Perhaps her son was ill before he died - everything else goes out the window at such times, you can't think straight at all and what would normally be a priority doesn't even register let alone be actioned  :(

Harley, I understand you are feeling sympathy for this breeder but they did manage to whelp the bitch and bring the pups up, have puppy people visit and tell them all about what was being offered surely registering them as well is not too much to expect and you can always get someone else to do it for you.

Hi

Just to add the pups were on veiwing from 4 weeks.  Nothing was said after various meetings with the breeder about her son and as we have said where happy to take the money and see us as oftern as we wanted prior to payin.  It only come alite after a few off us had compalined about not receiving the KC papers.

I sympathise with your predicament but, if the breeder has lost her son, can also see how the loss of her son can make everything else take back stage. I have no idea how her son died - he could have been ill for a while or may have died suddenly and unexpectedly. Even knowing that a loved one is going to die does not make the situation any easier or any more acceptable when it actually happens. My OH was terminally ill for a long time and his very recent death was an end to a lot of suffering - we all knew it was going to happen and, at the end, were praying for it to happen but that didn't, and still doesn't, make it any easier to deal with.

If this lady has indeed lost her son I can guarantee that the paper work is not at the top end of her priority list at the moment. The puppies have all gone to their new homes, she knows they are being cared for and sorting out any  paper work for the pups will just be another thing she has to get round to when she can.

If the reason she has given for the delay with the paperwork is not true then that is an entirely different situation. It would seem to be a very elaborate  deception and one that could be easily disproved.

I hope you manage to get it all sorted eventually.

The pups are now 12 weeks and her son allegedly died 5 weeks ago surely at 7 weeks the dogs should have been registerd?

2 years ago I had a litter who were not registered by 7 weeks old just never got around to it. I had bottle raised the pups and was still recovering sleep wise. I then had my oldest dog PTS a few days before those pups left for their new homes. Those puppies got older and older and still they were not registered. Obviously people were asking for it and it did eventually get done but pups were about 14 weeks old by then. I just couldn't cope when my boy was PTS.

This breeder has lost her son and I personally think you have to give her the benefit of the doubt. She must be in a real state right now and the KC paperwork rightly or wrongly will seem the least of her problems right now.

The last thing you want to do is fall out with the breeder, you may need her in the future.

Obviously if it proves wrong and she had no intention of KC registering the puppies, that is the time to go legal but at the moment I would just email asking how she is and with puppy updates.

hi I can confirm that ***** son did pass away and that she was behind with her paperwork please be patient.

The breeder did email me and advise that the papers are going to be sent out soon, so were waiting on the postman each morning! I'd like to thank everyone for the advice / help and also all of the comments on here.
I'm not heartless about the woman's situation about her son. I'm just very cautious as you read about the lengths that people go to con people out of money.
There is many reasons why the documents are important to my family, not just from a showing point of view but also the fact that this is our pups family history. We also hope to take part in something along the lines of water agility / carting if the pup enjoys it when she is older and we wouldnt be able to go to shows etc if she was an unregistered dog.
I havnt contacted by the breeders associate, which i'm glad as an abusive email is never the way to deal with a problem IMO. However I would like to ask why that person isnt helping the breeder to do the documents if she is having such a hard time of it at the moment. If I knew anyone that close to me that was in that position I would do everything I could to make life easier, even if it was only answering emails, hoovering or doing the dishes for them.

However I would like to ask why that person isnt helping the breeder to do the documents if she is having such a hard time of it at the moment.

Sometimes the bereaved just need some time to themselves - I was exceedingly grateful to all my friends and family who helped out with our dogs and other matters that just couldn't be put off but we also needed time by ourselves to just try and come to terms with what had happened. My dogs have always been way up near the top of the list of priorities but they had to take a back seat at times during the first few weeks of our loss. Our dogs are very important to us but, for a while, I am afraid other things took priority.

Following any bereavement there is a mountain of paper work that has to be seen to and some is more urgent than others. The view from the outside is very different to the one seen by those living through a bereavement. Everything takes three times as much energy and effort than normal, you can't focus on anything other than your situation, what seemed important beforehand often becomes of very little importance in the grand scheme of things. You don't sleep, can't eat, can't think straight and have such a roller coaster of emotions that the person you normally are becomes overwhelmed and overshadowed by all that has gone on. My daughter had an important exam the day after her dad died - it was one of her end of year uni exams - she went in to take the exam because she knew how important this exam was to her future. She was in the exam room 10 minutes and had to leave - the "importance" of the exam meant nothing to her on that day and she just couldn't take it however much she needed to.

I realise your papers are very important to you and that you had every right to be cautious about the situation you found yourself in but, now you know the situation your breeder is trying to deal with, you will hopefully be feeling more assured that the paper work will be sorted out in time.

Very well said Harley and on this note, I am now locking this thread. Hopefully, it will serve as a warning to other would be breeders, that even if you suffer a terrible bereavement, some individuals will still expect the paperwork sorted out or your reputation will be mud.