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01.05.17 10:38 GMT
Dog walkers in Gosport Hampshire could face a £100 fine if walking more than four dogs at same time: Article HERE
I wonder if it is per person? Or per owner/owners.
I always walk two at a time, this gives all of us maximum freedom and safety and fun. But when we are out with my partner, we take all four of our dogs which makes it two per person....
01.05.17 13:08 GMT
Don't panic monkey, the thread title is wrong its MORE THAN 4 dogs.
Is it really an issue/problem ?
Think my park has a more than 4 ban, is it enforced ? Not sure since it doesn't apply to me. They certainly don't enforce the dog on leads rule thankfully. One park keeper told me they don't as it would drive regulars like me away and they like having us for security.
Yes it is 'more than......' Another situation where Common Sense was absent in terms of what's going on and the sensible being affected by those who should know better?!! I think it's important, maybe, with those people who are dog walking for income. When it comes to those experienced people with a number of dogs, too bad eh. Mind you as we started getting oldies in our small 'pack', we found we had to do 'two strings' - those who needed a good long walk, and those who couldn't manage that any longer. But then, in those good old days, we lived out in the country and rarely saw anybody else with dogs when out across the fields.
01.05.17 16:10 GMT
Every time I've seen it, including round here where it's been in place for years, it's been x-number of dogs per person. So two people could walk 8 dogs, three could walk 12 etc.
01.05.17 20:32 GMT
I'm really not sure about this. I tend to think it's more of a show rather than any serious intent to take action as, let's face it, there's so many dogs off lead where they shouldn't, poo left on on roads/paths in poo bags on trees... Maybe it's trying to raise awareness with the growth of dog walking businesses - just like with breeding some are in it for love and others for money without a care for their charges or anyone else.
By Wait Ok
02.05.17 06:10 GMT
Maybe there should be a law / ruling that all dogs should be taken out for a daily walk, not so much a limited number. There are far too many dogs just shut away every day without any daily walking.
02.05.17 09:11 GMT
>Don't panic monkey, the thread title is wrong its MORE THAN 4 dogs.
Apologies for typo in the header. I'm human
02.05.17 09:19 GMT
> Maybe there should be a law / ruling that all dogs should be taken out for a daily walk, not so much a limited number. There are far too many dogs just shut away every day without any daily walking.
While I agree with your principle, there are a great many dogs, one of mine included, who would suffer immensely if that became law. Not every dog can actually cope with or benefit from daily excercise, thanks to awful breeding practices, poor temperaments etc. My older collie has a genetically nervous/phobic base, on which has built very sturdy multiple noise phobias, a lead phobia, extreme reaction to travel (attacking the car from the inside, although thankfully I've mostly got that sorted so she can do very tiny journeys) and a phobia of strange dogs on walks. Taking her every day would be cruelty as 99% of the time, walks represent a time of immense fear and stress and too many triggers to think about, never mind cope with. We're just going up to once a week, early sunday morning when the world is quiet and empty enough, and it's taken me a few years to get her to that point. And I'm seeing an increase in clients who I'm advising to cut down exercise for similar problems in their dogs. Stimulation is important but this does not always have to mean going for a walk.
02.05.17 17:00 GMT
> Maybe there should be a law / ruling that all dogs should be taken out for a daily walk, not so much a limited number.
Although that sounds a good idea it doesn't make allowances for those dogs where missing a walk is helpful for them. One of my dogs became reactive following being jumped on too many times by an out of control off lead dog.
Sometimes he benefits from not having a walk at all. If he has had walks on the previous day that he has found stressful he needs a day off from walking to allow his stress levels to fall thus allowing him to focus on me and start a walk in a relaxed frame of mind. If I ignore his stress levels he is quicker to react and will do so from a goodly distance, if I have allowed him to "empty his bucket of stress" by not putting him in a stressful situation a walk is far more pleasurable for me, him and my other dogs. If he has had two consecutive evenings of agility training or been to an agility show - where there are lots of other dogs and some of those are very hyped up - he needs that quiet time to relax, thus greatly reducing any reactivity.
Before having a reactive dog I always thought that dogs needed an offlead long walk every day - he has proven me wrong and life is much easier for him if he is given the chance to relax and chill out. His situation though is far different from those dogs who are never walked because the owners can't be bothered or because they have a "large garden). I still have to walk my other dogs so I am not being lazy - I am doing what is right for him.
It's like every rule - there is always an exception
Totally agree Nikita and Harley .
02.05.17 23:01 GMT
Its complete twaddle anyway.
The 91 year old Queen could take 4 mastiffs for a walk no problem.
and a very fit 20 something would be fined for walking 5 Chihuahuas
Well I walked all 6 of mine (now 5) on lead, on head collars, daily so they benefit from maximum walking time.
Does this only apply to off lead, commercial dogs walkers?
Surely dogs on lead under close control it is up to the owner how many they can safely manage.
It's such a contentious and subjective topic. There seems to be more of a need to address out of control dogs these days; I think a ot of this is due to the over-emphasis on, and mis-interpretation of 'socialising' dogs - so many seem to think it's a 'free for all' . There's also a huge increase in professional dog walkers with countless dogs left to 'socialise' to their hearts content. It can be intimidating when meeting a group of off lead dogs with only one person in-charge. I'd also query how that person would cope with any sort of emergency, whether with one of their charges or anothers.
> Surely dogs on lead under close control it is up to the owner how many they can safely manage.
I think considerations of safety (particularly if it is public safety) is rarely something the authorities like to leave to individual discretion. You may think the dogs are under your close control, and they might be; another person who thinks exactly the same may not actually be able to react should something unexpected happen.
04.05.17 07:09 GMT
> Its complete twaddle anyway.
> The 91 year old Queen could take 4 mastiffs for a walk no problem.
> and a very fit 20 something would be fined for walking 5 Chihuahuas
One of the reasons I don't like it! Purely looking at numbers is silly. I walk four large, active dogs together yet they don't cause any problems for anyone else because I don't allow them to. But one of those is defensive towards other dogs because she's been charged at by dogs being walked solo or from a pair too many times. My other group, last week, was charged from behind and threatened by a large rottweiler which I didn't even know was there - I was walking very slowly to keep distance from the nervous terriers in front of me (who'd come on to the trail right in front of me then walked at a flipping snail's pace) and the owner just carried on striding along and caught up with us. Not bothered remotely by his dog's behaviour or that one of mine might do anything - thankfully this was the wonkies' group, not the group with the defensive dog in or blood would have been shed because I had no idea that dog was there until I heard the growl right behind me.
Numbers, for the most part, are irrelevant and it's always felt to me like councils have put these by-laws in place so they can appear to be doing something useful.
It's additionally pointless when you consider that it's per person - so as I said earlier, if you've got two friends walking together, they can walk 8 dogs. Three friends - 12 dogs. How many people would feel safe seeing 12 dogs running around together with only three people to manage them, however well behaved the dogs are? People get antsy about mine with just the four (which is why I'm so careful to keep them under control).
I for one would be glad of restrictions in the case of professional dog walkers. My friend and I were in the local woods recently with two dogs when we encountered two women who were professional dog walkers. Between them they had twelve off lead dogs ranging from a greyhound, through staffies and beagles to a couple of shih tzu type dogs. Chaos ensued, our dogs looked very wary and I felt plain intimidated by the walkers who were very aggressive with us but had little to no control over the dogs. It took them ten minutes to round them all up so they could move on. Mind it would have taken longer to put all the leads on
I also know a local dog walker personally who only ever walks one or two dogs at a time. The thing is everyone on here is a responsible dog owner/walker and you all think about your dogs behaviour and interactions, and take steps to ensure your dogs behaviour is acceptable even if there's more than one. However for each one there are gazillions of the 'you can't tell me what to do I'll do what I want' brigade and it's their dogs that are out of control doing what they want, creating the nuisance.
05.05.17 09:15 GMT
That I would like to see. A group of dogs from different households is very different to a group of dogs who live together under the same roof, rules and humans. I've done dog walking in large groups like that (out of town, mostly) and keeping control was much harder - the woman I worked for would have the groups at the maximum possible number for maximum profit, no concern about the interactions and controllability. She would also have them walked locally to minimise fuel costs - I did not stick to that and I stood up to her. She backed down for me, but continued to enforce it on her other walkers once I stopped.
So yes, restrictions on professional walkers would be a very good thing - there are too many like her who are only out to make money and I see horror stories about them all the time. Thankfully she appears to be the only one like this round here, at least that I know of, and I've not seen her walkers in a long time now although I know they still operate.
5 chihuahuas are very capable of causing complete havoc no matter how fit the 20 year old is.
As far as I am aware there already are limits for pro walkers.
Certainly here it is 6, but my friend never takes more than 4.
Like yesterday we walked 8 dogs together, across fields with public footpaths, but only three were off lead.
06.05.17 08:31 GMT
Not everywhere. I can't see any limit on my business insurance (I do a small amount of dog walking myself) and I can't find any reference to numbers outside the 4pp dog control order from the council. So that person here can go out with another walker and walk 8 dogs happily, and has done many times. All from different homes, not under full control etc. She doesn't even take enough leads for all the dogs because she's so arrogant about her (absent) ability to control them all, but now I'm getting into a rant about her and getting off track!
It must be down to each authority, as my friends council and Insurance allows 6.
I heard years ago of a 6 limit on Wimbledon common for pro dog walkers
07.05.17 09:07 GMT
As someone who lives in a borough where professional dog walking has reached epidemic proportions and we are the only borough in SW London to allow 6 dogs, I can tell you it is a nightmare. The parks and open spaces have been all but taken over by professional dog walkers. I have neighbours who no longer feel confident taking their own pets out or their children because of the large packs of off lead dogs. Not just six dogs, but often walking together, making 12, 18 and I've even seen 24. I have 3 and am aware that multiple dogs can be intimidating to others - walkers, dog owners and dogs alike. Unfortunately, these dog walkers act like they own the parks and it is their personal property. I would welcome a maximum of 4 dogs per person
07.05.17 09:09 GMT
07.05.17 09:16 GMT
Brainless, Wimbledon have a limited number of multi dog licences which allows 6 but only allowed 4 off lead at any one time. They are available to all and while most have been given to professional dog walkers, there are some multi dog owners who have a licence too. There is a long waiting list for a licence - a friend got one recently after a three year wait at the top of the waiting list.
again as I said, one reason I keep mine on lead is because multiple dogs can be intimidating, and certainly I think there should be limits on how many are off lead
in one persons care, 2 to 4 seems reasonable.
I would certainly get miffed if I could not walk all my dogs on lead together though.
> again as I said, one reason I keep mine on lead is because multiple dogs can be intimidating, and certainly I think there should be limits on how many are off lead in one persons care
But there could also be reasons to limit the number of dogs on lead in one person's care, because "on lead" does not necessarily equal "under control". It all depends of course, I wouldn't worry about 10 chihuahuas for example but 5 alaskan malamutes is a different matter, on top of that you have the differences in people, some bigger some smaller, some weaker some stronger, some can control their pack some only think they can... Laws/rules are general though so its unsurprising people will get miffed.
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