Champdogs Information Exchange
Having recently read a number of postings about using dogs at Stud I would like to tell a story of how responsibilties of owning a stud dog do not end at the time of the mating.
This weekend I had a telephone call from a lovely gentleman who I last spoke to 2 years ago, when he phoned me wanting a puppy and I passed him on to the owner of a bitch whom one of my dogs had mated.
The story goes as follows, he bought a dog puppy from these people, and then on the advice of his "VET"!! bought another dog puppy three weeks later from another source.
18 months down the line there are problems, the dogs are vying for dominance, owners have recently moved to a new bungalow with small garden, from house with a couple of acres, dogs are starting into aggressive behaviour and wife has been nipped on a couple of occasions whilst the dogs are challenging each other.
As he respected my knowledge of the breed, he phoned me for advice. (By the way the breeders of the litter were one off breeders and have no other contacts in the breed other than me) On considering the situation: Two adolescent male terriers, elderly owners, wife admitting that she is now frightened of the situation. I decided that rehoming of one of the them was the answer to the dilemma, he accepted this as he was seriously considering having the worst aggressor pts.
I then got in touch with a lot of my contacts and by yesterday had a lovely couple, having lost theor BT 1 year ago (aged 14), no young children, willing to take on this dog.
By last night they had collected him and everyone feels a lot more settled.
The first owners have peace of mind that there beloved pet has not had to be pts, the new owners have found what they wanted and are very capable of sorting him out, and I can breathe a sigh of relief. The new ownewrs are bringing him up to me this weekend so I can assess his character and advise them of how to carry on with his reforming. They will continue to have contact with me and I will be there to help with any problems.
So the moral of the story is, stud dog ownership does not start and finish when you take that cheque after completion of a successful mating, it continues for the rest of the life of the resulting puppies. If you are not prepared for that responsibilty then please re-consider about using your dog as a stud.
Well said and something a lot of people either forget or don't want to remember
It is something I feel very strongly about.
It is the easiest thing int he world to let your dog be used as a stud, but so little thought is given to the future of the ensuing puppies.
07.10.02 21:25 GMT
I am a stud dog owner and help people that have had pups
and just want advice. I think people forget this sometimes.
I enjoy this and make the stud part just as much my interest
as the breeders.
07.10.02 23:17 GMT
Ah but there are many out there who do not care less:rolleyes: don't get me wrong you two sound great but the lady who owns my bitch's Sire would not nor does show any interest whatsoever in my little bitch when we see her etc at shows:( I have even emailed a club before of which she is the chairperson and said that she owns the Sire of my bitch but has she bothered to even reply?...............has she heck:(
Stacey x x x
08.10.02 07:00 GMT
I too agree this is a very important area. While the major share of the responsibility lies with the bitches owner - ie they are responsible for that early development and socialising time of a puppy's life, the stud dog owner should also ensure that the breeder undertakes that all important early care to reduce the risk of puppies having problems as they grow.
My boys are only available for very selective stud work and that is because I need to know and trust the owner of the bitch to ensure that they do all they can to ensure the puppies go to good homes after having a firm start in life. I also ensure that the pairing is right for the breed. I am very much a learner in what makes a good pairing etc - but I have friends who know much more and who help me. I will only give the OK if I am satisfied the risks are minimal. You can't say there are no risks as their are always risks in any mating -lanned or not!!
The stud owner should share some of the responsibility in providing after-care - especially if there are any problems etc that may only come to light after the event that may fall from the stud dog. I would always be open about any health problems that appeared that could affect any offspring in their future.
Having siad all that - that is in the ideal world of course - but owners of bitches also share the responsibility in ensuring the stud owner is either willing to take their fair share of responsibility - and if not and they are determined/need to use a particluar dog - then they have to accept that the responsibillity lies fairly and squarely with them.
IMHO - what this shows is that what should happen in responsible breeding is that both parties take full and equal responsibility for ensuring the pairing is right, that the puppies are healthy and go to good homes and that the new owners have support from both parties if necessary. I think the reality is that in the vast majority of cases the responsibility stays with the bitch owner - be that because the stud owner is not that interested OR the bitch owner actually wants it that way!!
Pam n the boys
26.10.02 21:04 GMT
we have a 5 month old mini scnauzer,i know he is too young to stud at the moment,but i was wandering if you had any info on reading material to give me a head start on: what to look for in the bitch that wants mating
how to go about ensuring the pups will get the best start
do i keep in touch with the bitches owner?
how many times a year are acceptable to mate
is it right to breed from him if i am not going to show him(therefore not knowing his potential)
we originally bought him as a pet,but are considering using him as stud.until we have further info this is not a forgone conclusion,but a possibillity.zak has some some champions in his pedigree,and his sire has won many shows.
any info will be much appreciated
If you are taking your responsibilities to the breed this seriously, and have no intention of showing, but your dog really is a good one, then I wouold contact his breeder. It could be that if the sire is a popular Stud that some of the people considering using him might be interested in a good son instead, if the mothers lines are also liked.
You would then have the experience of the an experienced stud owner re suitable bitches being sent his way, and am sure for this service you could give him/her something from the stud fee.
27.10.02 08:25 GMT
thank you for this info,the champions are on the dams side with 5 sires from 4 generations.would you know if you have to set up as a business or is it classed as a paid hobby?
28.10.02 07:34 GMT
It's not really the dogs in your dogs background, champions or not, it is wether the dogs in the background of the bitch and your dogs match. Or are you doubling up on problems. Even if a dog is a champion it will still have problems, there is no such things as a perfect dog, the skill is to match the two dogs to be mated to make sure that the puppies are at least no worse than the parents and hopefully a little bit better. Ja:)kie
28.10.02 10:00 GMT
thank-you jackie h,
what in particular would it be that im looking for in the pedigrees?is it to see if there are any similar blood lines,or checking health of ancestors and any problems they have had.as i say this is completely new to me,and until we have enough info to decide whether or not it is what we are going to do with zak,i would appreciate any more info from anyone willing to write.zak has a lovely temper,he has a quizzical expression and a lot of energy for a little dog,he seems happy and content,and never says no to playing. at the end of the day if we dont decide to put him to stud,at least he will still be a lovely pet.
28.10.02 13:29 GMT
Mel, the board is playing up at the moment and your question needs a proper answer, so I will try in the morning to answer to the best of my knowledge, which will leave you still with a lot to find out for yourself. ja:)kie
28.10.02 13:33 GMT
Sods law, had no trouble posting the last post, but will still wait, find it heart breaking to spend 10 mins on a post only to find that wretched LP person or "site not responding" Ja:)kie
28.10.02 14:16 GMT
Jackie, If I know that email or message boards are playing up, before I "send" my post, I always copy the text so if something does go wrong, I can always paste it without typing it out.
28.10.02 14:36 GMT
I do the same, but unfortunately, the troubles sometime occur without warning :rolleyes: ;) :)
I have found that once I've posted and L-Parkins appears ---wait. Pull up another window or go do something else, but don't touch the current 'page'. Let it just hang out. The post will appear eventually-- it's not lost .... or at least Netscape does this :) But if you hit reload or go back, the posting message does vanish forever :(
27.10.02 08:33 GMT
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